Changing dosages and compounds.

Wsrey1969

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Starting dosage go 300mg masteron a week split into 2 shots. See where your at after month. Prop based will hit you quicker but give it 4 to 6 weeks before you adjust anything up
 

HGH.to

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Propionate EOD or ED. Enanthate twice weekly. You already know it.
Starting dosage is about 300 mg/week, but for a bigger guy like you, you may attempt 400-500 mg/week.
 

Denicnut

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Smaller injection eod or even mwf are best even with longer esters it keeps blood levels even more stable so you don’t have peaks and valleys in blood levels…you can get away with two times per week with an enanthate I’ve found for me and some guys I train there is less sides..I had a couple guys on 500mg of test enth per week they did 250mg 2x per week and they listened and split to .7ml mwf and they guys acne cleared up and he had felt better overall and his nipple was starting to puff up a little so we even switched to .5 ml 4x per week and he was good to go everything was without aromasin and he rode out on that until we added some masteron actually…we added .5 of that too I believe it was 400mg of mast total per week with the test enth…you will like mast I did 375mg per week split mwf with my test dose the first time I did it and I had striations in my triceps and shit it was crazy…it’s a feel good drug that helps SHGB and is a mild anti estrogen affect and helps with sex drive and energy, and has great synergy with other drugs or even just test! Message me if you need any diet, training, supplement input I’ve personally done a lot of experimenting with diet , training, and supplements for myself and also for a lot of guys that compete…
 

Wsrey1969

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Smaller injection eod or even mwf are best even with longer esters it keeps blood levels even more stable so you don’t have peaks and valleys in blood levels…you can get away with two times per week with an enanthate I’ve found for me and some guys I train there is less sides..I had a couple guys on 500mg of test enth per week they did 250mg 2x per week and they listened and split to .7ml mwf and they guys acne cleared up and he had felt better overall and his nipple was starting to puff up a little so we even switched to .5 ml 4x per week and he was good to go everything was without aromasin and he rode out on that until we added some masteron actually…we added .5 of that too I believe it was 400mg of mast total per week with the test enth…you will like mast I did 375mg per week split mwf with my test dose the first time I did it and I had striations in my triceps and shit it was crazy…it’s a feel good drug that helps SHGB and is a mild anti estrogen affect and helps with sex drive and energy, and has great synergy with other drugs or even just test! Message me if you need any diet, training, supplement input I’ve personally done a lot of experimenting with diet , training, and supplements for myself and also for a lot of guys that compete…
So what do you think about backloading insulin syringes and and injecting daily. Or do you get the same effect MWF?
 

Denicnut

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So what do you think about backloading insulin syringes and and injecting daily. Or do you get the same effect MWF?
100% I’d throw 29g 5/8” all over into shoulders and triceps and hit glutes too I’ve done it when I mix multiple things I did every day or I took off only Thursday…your blood levels will be extremely stable you will get less sides and feel better
 

loren

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true masterone works best the more lean you are gives that very hard dry look just my 2 cents its a better look than the d-ball bloat look by far it accents the hard work you did and dieted for love it ps i also like tren ace with it when your very lean they work great together if your under 10% or close try the 2 together very hard look..
 

Denicnut

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true masterone works best the more lean you are gives that very hard dry look just my 2 cents its a better look than the d-ball bloat look by far it accents the hard work you did and dieted for love it ps i also like tren ace with it when your very lean they work great together if your under 10% or close try the 2 together very hard look..
I’ve been loving this inj dbol I got it’s smooth no guaiacol and the pumps are crazy and way less water retention and still crazy strength!
 

loren

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i have not used it in a bit. but its a great strength item pair it with masterone help lean out the gains for a hard look. just a suggestion i like the hard look better than the bloat look. eq is also a great item to get a good pump and its clean as clean can be for gear glad to hear its works for you. i still think tren ace is king for diet or mass the research i have said tren is 10 times stronger than test also ace is fast acting i like it much better than enanthate im all for fast acting gear i would rather do eod than a long ester that lets the gear build up in your body
 

Wsrey1969

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How much inject dbal would you use? Can you use it for pre-workout as well? I'm old school. Anadrol with lasix and pottasium If needed or Halos
 

bobby ricky

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i have not used it in a bit. but its a great strength item pair it with masterone help lean out the gains for a hard look. just a suggestion i like the hard look better than the bloat look. eq is also a great item to get a good pump and its clean as clean can be for gear glad to hear its works for you. i still think tren ace is king for diet or mass the research i have said tren is 10 times stronger than test also ace is fast acting i like it much better than enanthate im all for fast acting gear i would rather do eod than a long ester that lets the gear build up in your body
Tren mix well with test and nandrolone?
 

Denicnut

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How much inject dbal would you use? Can you use it for pre-workout as well? I'm old school. Anadrol with lasix and pottasium If needed or Halos
It’s 50mg I shoot a whole ML eod works but it’s best everyday at same time for like 4 or 5 weeks I’m gonna grab more soon I’m gonna go back on in October
 

Wsrey1969

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You can do it. It's just going to take awhile for your body to recover when your done. They are both nor- based. If your training for size you should blow up like a tick especially if your working out with enough intensity. In regards to deca, it was originally developed to aide in the recovery of burn victims. Greatly aides in tissue repair and protein uptake. Tren is a monster. Just be careful and don't jump your weights up too fast or your gonna hurt yourself. Keep your reps a little higher and make sure you're using perfect form. Have fun!!!!
 

Denicnut

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I agree it can be done but you have to keep the deca low I know people that have done tren and deca together…I would never do it I get anxiety from 300mg of deca lol I would say keep deca at 200-300mg max and add whatever tren and then double that number at least and do that much in test! Keep some cabergoline and cialis on hand too…I used to love deca too I bet a couple guys here remember the old Norma Hellas 200mg/2ml vials from Greece!
 

LHV

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I’ve hung around gyms for decades and used gear for about the same. While I’m strictly an amateur guys I’ve been associated with have been very professional indeed. It’s long struck me that the variables including intensity, frequency and dosage all operate independently. In other words those that workout twice as hard with twice the dosage for half as long end up looking like those that worked out half as hard with half the dosage for twice as long. The gear helps for sure but whether you use lots or just enough dedication to your program over time trumps everything. I know some seriously big units that hardly ever use anything other than T and only occasionally blast above ~600mg weekly. I know some other big guys who keep their T low (~400mg weekly) and just stack modestly with other compounds from time to time. And then the usual suspects who are on multiple compounds and blasting to 1000mg T regularly. My point is I can’t tell the difference between approaches just by looking at these dudes - after decades of working out they’re all huge! The lesson I think is to use the minimum that gets you growth (acknowledging this will change over time) and let time do the rest
 

loren

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i said was i would rather see a guy or my self take 400 mg test train hard and eat 100% clean than take 800mg eat like shit and train like shit i do believe the guy with the better training, diet and 400mg test will grow more than the 2 or 3 day training guy with the shitty diet and poor training ethic agree if both guys ate well trained well the guy on the more gear will get a better result. i was just making a point seems like many young guys and girls take more gear than they really need to i was not looking to argue with anyone guys just over do it with the gear its a tool to use its like miracle grow this really is kinda a divided sport there are the die hard guys. that diet train and eat well. then there are the guys that take gear lift and screw around in the gym i understand there are many guys in between but the guys that take a shit load of gear sit on every machine and text or talk. are just a nuisance i ha dto ask one today how many more sets of texting do you have on that machine. hope all is well .
 

Wsrey1969

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I'll say this about that. I'm 53. I use 375 mg of test weekly. I did that for 8 weeks. I put on 15lbs and my waist dropped an inch. I added 375mg of deca 3 weeks ago. I put on another 5 lbs and my waist stayed the same. I work out hard; drop sets, super sets, extended sets etc. No more than 1 hour no more than 4 times a week depending on work. I eat 3000 cal a day with 300g of protein religiously. I eat pretty clean but I do like cheeseburgers lol. The key, IMO is how hard you work out.
 

loren

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sounds like you have it well in control. i also do drop sets super sets lighter weight for more reps also eat about the same im at 218 now im also 60. and just did bodyfat today im 7.01% its deit and training and the proper gear for what your goal is. great job good results with not a lot of mg or compounds well done.
 
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