DHB is more liver toxic and kidney toxic than previously thought: when you look at the effects on castrated rats, the risk outweighs the reward IMO. This isn’t to say DHB is useless per say, but I’ve never had such bad PIP from any other compounds , and I’ve tried a couple of different labs. If you do decide to run it alone or with TRT; you may be disappointed with results. Some people say it blows you up ; I experienced slight change in the shape of my delts. And vascularity improved after 8 weeks. I was underwhelmed by the effects, and overwhelmed by the PIP. Go read more plates more dates article on DHB and what it did to the liver weight of castrated rats compared to testosterone. Test grew more lean mass, and didn’t increase liver weight