Intro and advise needed

consurfer

Member
Hey guys, been lurking here for a while and reading all the the great info. Need a bit of advise from you gurus on my current cycle
A little background
I've always been fit and worked out most of my adult life, been lifting seriously for about 2 years.
I'm 6ft 210lbs and 14% bodyfat
Been on TRT for the last 2.5 years 160mg cyp per week split Into 2 injections per week.

Last spring decided to try a mild cycle.
Did 200 test cyp, 300 mast e, weekly and 25 mg anavar ed for 12 weeks
Everything went great. Loved the results. Got lean dry gains. Felt lile a beast in the gym. Was horny as hell and fantastic boners the whole time. No AI

Cruised for 3 months after

Recently decided to start a test only cycle, per the general consensus on here.
Currently running 500mg test cyp per week split into 2 Injections. Dosent seem to be going as well. Right away had some ed, no morning wood, soft bones, and not really feeling great in the gym. Got bloods pulled and estridol was high. Added
0.25 armidex e3d. Been about 3 weeks and still feeling the same. Wondering if I should go get bloods again and if there is anything else I should have checked or added to the panel.
I'll post my first blood testScreenshot_20221204-084128_Gallery.jpgScreenshot_20221204-084049_Drive.jpg it was 2 weeks Into the new cycle.

BTW also no real symptoms of gyno other than maybe some slightly puffy nips.
 

Gainz.

Well-known member
You've been on trt for so long you don't "need" a test only cycle. But apparently it's good that you did. It's a little weird that going from 160mg to 500mg has thrown your est so far off.
I would go to adex .5mg every day! If you don't feel better in... 4 or 5 days I would drop your dose to 300mg.

Since you seem to suffer from high est sides I would look into stacking your cycle with eq or more mast. Both of those are great at keeping est low during a cycle. Eq can even crash your est.
Curious to see what my other brothers here have to say
 

consurfer

Member
Thought it was wierd also also, and almost immediately felt it. But honestly I haven't had any bloods done in a long time as I've felt fine. So who knows maybe I was bordering high est already. I'll try to go .5 everyday and see what happens. A little worried about crashing as I've read that's worse.
Forgot to mention I'm 45, not sure how much that matters
 

Gainz.

Well-known member
Thought it was wierd also also, and almost immediately felt it. But honestly I haven't had any bloods done in a long time as I've felt fine. So who knows maybe I was bordering high est already. I'll try to go .5 everyday and see what happens. A little worried about crashing as I've read that's worse.
Forgot to mention I'm 45, not sure how much that matters
You won't crash immediately.
That's why I'm saying run .5 every day for the next 5 days. You should feel better by then. Once you start feeling better then go to .5 every other day. then maybe .25 every other day.

But yeah, running some mast or primo (I'd say mast) will likely fix that issue and you won't need the adex as much.
 

Gainz.

Well-known member
Are you a drinker? Mostly a beer drinker?
Because beer contains phytoestrogen and prolactin.
I shouldn't have to explain why that's important.
Anyway.. just trying to figure out any reason why your est jumped up so high.

But again if the sides don't subside in 5ish days from the .5mg every day, you can go to 1mg every day... but I wouldn't go longer than like 3 days like that. Or just drop down to 300mg of test a week.
But it's all speculation until you come back in a few days with updates
 

consurfer

Member
Hardly drink, and if I do it's usually a whiskey neat or vodka soda. But haven't had a single drop in a few months. Also diet is on point. Super clean 3200 calories 40/40/20 macro split.

And by soft bones I don't mean my actual bones. Lol. Just hard ons aren't the brick breaking ones I've had before on cycle.
 

suppsforlife

Well-known member
It's strange that you get the "right away" effects considering that Test C takes some weeks to fully kick in. and yeah, according to both symptoms and bloodwork, your symptoms are due to high estrogen. since you started to get high estrogen symptoms immediately after increasing the dosage, then it seems you got high estrogen even when the testosterone hasn't fully kicked in. then with 0.25 mg E3D you just lowered it a bit, but you still get the symptoms because it was not enough to lower even lower when Test C fully kicked in. Not sure if I explained it correctly. hell, not sure if that's correct at all, it's just my assumption.
conclusion: follow @GainzBandit plan as I think he's right.
 

Gainz.

Well-known member
Hardly drink, and if I do it's usually a whiskey neat or vodka soda. But haven't had a single drop in a few months. Also diet is on point. Super clean 3200 calories 40/40/20 macro split.

And by soft bones I don't mean my actual bones. Lol. Just hard ons aren't the brick breaking ones I've had before on cycle.
Oh.. the other bone... the main bone.
I was so confused, because est is what makes your bones stronger.
I got you.
But I agree with @suppsforlife it seems like at your trt dose you were bordering high est sides. Then the few extra Mg's just pushed you over the edge
 

Aussie

Well-known member
Mast is good for keeping E2 under control. It also makes you horny.
Drop your test down and see how you go.
Lots of people can’t use over 300mg a week of testosterone without getting ED problems.
I would be going back to trt until getting ED sorted. You know how test madt cycle was so maybe try it again.
 

consurfer

Member
Ok so taking everyone's advise into account here's the plan. I'm going to continue with the .5 Adex everyday for the next 4-5 days ( today will be day 2). If not feeling way better, I'm going to scrap this cycle and go back to trt dose for now. Also going to get bloods, probably towards the end of the week. So no matter if I stay on or scrap it, at least I can learn a bit for future reference.
Thanks everybody for the help
Stay tuned
 

consurfer

Member
BTW the Ed I'm talking about isn't terrible. Still getting hard but having trouble keeping it. Drive is down too.Definitely no morning wood. My girl came over last night and I popped 20mg cialis so we could have a good time. Everything went as you would expect. But with that in mind the ol boner meter might be a bit skewed for the next day or so. Lol
 

Gainz.

Well-known member
Sounds like a solid plan.
I would order some mast right now.
Then your next blast run 300mg test 200mg mast.
That should make you feel like superman!!
 
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