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Twizted

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847 is still within the bounds of natty, upper side of course but still in the range. What's wrong with cruising inside the normal range @HGH.to ? Just curious BTW. And I would think someone competing would cruise well above the normal range, maybe I'm wrong as I've never competed but most ppl I've spoke with that compete cruise around 400-500mg
 
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Gainz.

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847 is still within the bounds of natty, upper side if fourse but still in the range. What's wrong with cruising inside the normal range hgh? Just curious BTW. And I would think someone competing would be to cruise well above the normal range, maybe I'm wrong as I've never competed but most ppl I've spoke with that compete cruise around 400-500mg
That was me natty. That was a few weeks after I finished my rad140 cycle and pct. So... like 6 weeks ago or so. Wanted to make sure I was ok before I jumped on real gear.
Really curious to see where I'll be 5 weeks after I finish this cycles pct
 

Twizted

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That was me natty. That was a few weeks after I finished my rad140 cycle and pct. So... like 6 weeks ago or so. Wanted to make sure I was ok before I jumped on real gear.
Really curious to see where I'll be 5 weeks after I finish this cycles pct
Oh shit I see now lol. Guess I was having a retard moment. I thought hgh was saying it was bad for your levels to be at 847 on a cruise. I see now he meant there is no need for you to cruise if your already that high. Disregard @HGH.to
 

Gainz.

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Oh shit I see now lol. Guess I was having a retard moment. I thought hgh was saying it was bad for your levels to be at 847 on a cruise. I see now he meant there is no need for you to cruise if your already that high. Disregard @HGH.to
Hahaha, I almost didn't want to correct you... I was convinced I was reading your comment wrong 🤣🤣🤣
 

HGH.to

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What's wrong with cruising inside the normal range @HGH.to ?
it's unhealthier than remaining in natural (obviously), commitment to constant injections and... you're likely to never get off TRT
maybe I'm wrong as I've never competed but most ppl I've spoke with that compete cruise around 400-500mg
depends. big bodybuilders indeed cruise at 500 mg/week. but you don't have to be Jay Cutler as it's not the only type of competition. hence, many still do cruise at 200 mg/week.
Oh shit I see now lol. Guess I was having a retard moment. I thought hgh was saying it was bad for your levels to be at 847 on a cruise. I see now he meant there is no need for you to cruise if your already that high. Disregard @HGH.to
yeah, you're right there. obviously shouldn't stop cruising if levels are 847 WITH testosterone. haha
Oh for sure... I just assume 98% of people here know more than me!
wouldn't agree with that. it does seem that in the last few weeks/months you've learned a lot. many others simply don't want to learn, which, IMO, is a huge mistake that can cost their money and most importantly - health
 

Gainz.

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it's unhealthier than remaining in natural (obviously), commitment to constant injections and... you're likely to never get off TRT
That's the part that scares me.

And thank you, I have learned so much, It's all thanks to you guys!

(Still feels like theres so much left to learn, but I'll get there)
 

HGH.to

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That's the part that scares me.

And thank you, I have learned so much, It's all thanks to you guys!

(Still feels like theres so much left to learn, but I'll get there)
we're all learning. I've been learning and doing it for years, yet I'm quite sure there's A LOT that I can and should learn
 

Panzer

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So I heard that it's rare that your body complety shuts down producing testosterone after TRT. Honestly, the test results I shared with you guys were from last year. I've been doing a metric fuck ton of research trying to figure out what's going on with my body and of course using cycles and stuff to help me in my weight management goals. It's difficult for me to lose weight with good diets and moderate exercise. I just got tested again and my testosterone level is 129nn/dl now. My free test is 37pg/ml. Standard range for this test shows 47-296. SHGB is 12.6nmol/L should be 15-94. Thank you guys for pointing me to TRT, going to see a specialist to explore all of this more. Kind of pissed my PCD didn't do anything about this last year when it was already low and I was showing signs. Good thing he's retired, obviously didn't give a fuck. Prescribed antidepressents and other stupid shit.
 

Panzer

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I found this, the guy is legit and makes lots of good points and cites plenty of things you can look into and learn about:
It's a bit long but I founs it helpful..
 

Gainz.

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From what I've been reading on here you want to go to a trt clinic. It seems like normal doctors have no idea how to actually treat low t. Giving people injections once or twice a month. Giving them stuff that either won't help, or way too much.
If you gonna do it go to a clinic. I've even heard people get lucky and those doctors giving them scripts so they can inject at home so they can have stable solid t levels.

We were just talking about how doctors were prescribing sust to guys for trt, something that should be pinned eod, and they were only getting it once a month. Causing extreme highs and lows like that can't be good. Not to mention I've seen several guys go to their primary with levels lower than yours, begging for trt and the doc telling them tough shit.
 

Panzer

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From what I've been reading on here you want to go to a trt clinic. It seems like normal doctors have no idea how to actually treat low t. Giving people injections once or twice a month. Giving them stuff that either won't help, or way too much.
If you gonna do it go to a clinic. I've even heard people get lucky and those doctors giving them scripts so they can inject at home so they can have stable solid t levels.

We were just talking about how doctors were prescribing sust to guys for trt, something that should be pinned eod, and they were only getting it once a month. Causing extreme highs and lows like that can't be good. Not to mention I've seen several guys go to their primary with levels lower than yours, begging for trt and the doc telling them tough shit.
Yeah, I want to avoid highs and lows..I got an appointment with a men's clinic and they have good reviews. Hopefully they will let me do my own pinning so I can avoid that. Hopefully I get a good doctor there.

If my levels are roughly consistent I've had a pretty good drop in just a year. I have been struggling to get a PCD established for the last 6 months since mine retired. I'm going out of network with my insurance to get help.. The whole system is screwed.
 
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Gainz.

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Yeah, I want to avoid highs and lows..I got an appointment with a men's clinic and they have good reviews. Hopefully they will let me do my own pinning so I can avoid that. Hopefully I get a good doctor there.

If my levels are roughly consistent I've had a pretty good drop in just a year. I have been struggling to get a PCD established for the last 6 months since mine retired. I'm going out of network with my insurance to get help.. The whole system is screwed.
I mean... as long as you're cleared health wise... you can always be your own doctor.
You don't need a script to get what you need.
But definitely talk to them first
 

Panzer

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I mean... as long as you're cleared health wise... you can always be your own doctor.
You don't need a script to get what you need.
But definitely talk to them first
I hear ya.. I want to see if they can figure out exactly what's causing it so I can see what I can do to fix it rather than just treating symptoms. I'll just set my gear aside for a little bit while I figure this out.
 

Gainz.

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Oh yeah, you're only 30
I would definitely see what's going on before you jump on trt. That's a big commitment man.
I know low t can be caused by lots of stuff, bad sleep, bad diet, inactivity, stress, high bf %, then a whole list of medications and other medical conditions.
I would definitely put off your cycle until you figure out what's going on brother
 

HGH.to

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agree with @Aj11 check what's going on, try to figure it out. then jump on gear if required. moreover, if you want to run "cycles" then that's for purpose of building muscles. If you simply want the therapeutic benefits, then there's no "cycling" but TRT (self or prescribed)
 
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