TRT as a gateway to steriods

EMachine

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Thank you everyone for your comments. Super helpful and for now I'm sticking with what the dr has proscribed. Going to possibly ask about splitting the dose in two and also getting new bloodwork done this week after 1 month of TRT. When I started my numbers were around 325 test and 27 est.

I'm now considering adding HGH instead of more test... can anyone comment on whether that would be a good idea or waste of money at 150mg testc? Just looking for that energy, motivation, and youthfulness. Still feel young inside but starting to age on the outside and I hate it. HGH is expensive though so I'm wondering whether to try it or not...
Before you start with GH, please have your cancer markers checked...never start GH without checking for these...GH will accelerate the process if you have them...I for example, had a brain tumor when I was younger and my doctor advised against it, even though it's gone now....there is a list of tests that should be done before starting GH. I have the list somewhere...but do your research and you will find what I'm talking about. As far as the gyno, I would stop the testosterone therapy, and deal with the gyno! Nolvadex works pretty well with gyno. Since you are being monitored by your doctor, why not visit him and have him advise you on how to proceed. Testosterone will only aggravate it and make it worse, if you don't deal with it now. You can always come back to test later, after you've dealt with the gyno, starting at a low dose of 50 mg per week and depending on how you respond, add 25 mg to see how you react, wait a couple of week to a month and add another 25 mg. Remember, TRT is a lifelong thing and needs to be addressed in a smart manner. Hope this help. Good luck Special...you are someone special, remember that!!!
 

otfjoey300

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GH needs to be run long term like minimum 6-12 months to even notice a difference. If you got the cash and access to a good source! I’d always opt for pharma GH, because I have access to it, costs me a fortune though on top of the copious amounts of steroids I order on a regular basis. GH is great. I’d recommend it to my mother lol
 

otfjoey300

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But again it takes a long time to really get results. And even 6 months of generic GH is expensive. You shouldn’t have to run it by your dr, just do half of your dose Monday, and half of your dose Thursday. I didn’t have to tell my dr when I wanted to do that as I administer all my shots on my own. If you have that luxury than yes split it in half it will be noticeable
 

HGH.to

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No wonder HGH is nowadays such a popular compound. is amazing and well tolerated by most. the downside is the price... but there's always something to pay for
 

otfjoey300

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No wonder HGH is nowadays such a popular compound. is amazing and well tolerated by most. the downside is the price... but there's always something to pay for
Now GH with slin and a myostatin inhibitor plus some T4… this is what the big boys do
 
As far as the gyno, I would stop the testosterone therapy, and deal with the gyno! Nolvadex works pretty well with gyno. Since you are being monitored by your doctor, why not visit him and have him advise you on how to proceed. Testosterone will only aggravate it and make it worse, if you don't deal with it now.
This is something I have been wondering about... is it not possible to take Nolvadex for this while still on test? Just wondering cause it seems like it is always separated into PCT.
 

HGH.to

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This is something I have been wondering about... is it not possible to take Nolvadex for this while still on test? Just wondering cause it seems like it is always separated into PCT.
actually you can. lots of guys run Nolva during the aromatizing cycle (with test and whatever other wet roid)
 
Okay so I wanted to update this thread once I got my new test results back.

After 4 weeks on TRT at 150 mg.... I'm cruising at total T of 383.

What?!

So, makes total sense that I want to up the dosage right? 150 isn't doing jack for me. The dr. said we will go up to 180 so I'm happy about that. Honestly was thinking I need to do like 150 2x per week for 300 total, but I will go with this and see if it works.

If I can get just one more productive day out of my week (right now I'm productive 4 days a week, 3 days feel like shit) I will be happy. But at the moment, 3 days of feeling like shit is just too much...
 
This is why I want to quit TRT and just do 300 mg on my own.

Honestly, everyone around me, no one understands how much I suffer. I explain and they don't listen, and the dr. gets back a report 383 and only increases it to 180, and hesitant to do even that much.

If I am 383 on 150mg don't I need at least 200mg? How is 180mg even going to cut it?

I don't know, feels like the whole world is against me thus my name....
 

otfjoey300

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This is why I want to quit TRT and just do 300 mg on my own.

Honestly, everyone around me, no one understands how much I suffer. I explain and they don't listen, and the dr. gets back a report 383 and only increases it to 180, and hesitant to do even that much.

If I am 383 on 150mg don't I need at least 200mg? How is 180mg even going to cut it?

I don't know, feels like the whole world is against me thus my name....
If your bloods are there that’s wild. Hey ur in normal range still; not too low I’m gonna hit my dr this week and ask for some bloodwork. Also, be aware that nandrolone can come back on a regular screening as test. So if you were on TRT with a low dose of deca (or some NPP) for good measure ; and you got normal testing, it would register all of it as testosterone. This is why sensitive assay bloodwork is important as well
 
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EMachine

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300 mg of test per week, is not a TRT dose (normally). I have a buddy on 300 mg per week (on TRT) but that usually not the case with most people. I am on 100 mg of test per week on TRT and I split the dose in two shots of 50 mg. Usually, I take 100 mg twice per week, since the very small vial of Depo-Testosterone (Cypionate) com in 200 mg and I have a hard time wasting 100 mg. I just can't do it!!! :) My levels are normally in the 400 plus. I have however added proviron to the mix and it completely changed my life (years ago). I take 25 mg in the morning and 25 mg at night. Give proviron a try and perhaps, that's the missing piece...it was my missing piece. Also, I never do a cycle these days, without proviron. I didn't understand the importance of taking proviron until I used it consistently for 3 months.
 

otfjoey300

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300 mg of test per week, is not a TRT dose (normally). I have a buddy on 300 mg per week (on TRT) but that usually not the case with most people. I am on 100 mg of test per week on TRT and I split the dose in two shots of 50 mg. Usually, I take 100 mg twice per week, since the very small vial of Depo-Testosterone (Cypionate) com in 200 mg and I have a hard time wasting 100 mg. I just can't do it!!! :) My levels are normally in the 400 plus. I have however added proviron to the mix and it completely changed my life (years ago). I take 25 mg in the morning and 25 mg at night. Give proviron a try and perhaps, that's the missing piece...it was my missing piece. Also, I never do a cycle these days, without proviron. I didn't understand the importance of taking proviron until I used it consistently for 3 months.
Wow , thanks for the info! Im really excited to run proviron and really see what it does.
 

EMachine

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Wow , thanks for the info! Im really excited to run proviron and really see what it does.
One more tip: My doctor recommended that I take 5 mg of cialis eod as well. The proviron was recommended by an European doctor while visiting years ago. My current primary physician, said that it will help protect my prostate, it will increase blood flow throughout the body, not just a certain body part and can help prevent arteries from becoming blocked as well, prevent strokes/heart attacks. EOD because supposedly, Cialis lasts 36 hrs. This combination is wonderful...My wife even reminds me to take it, yeah she loves me (so much more when I'm on this cocktail...and I now have a pill container and include it with my daily vitamins...so I don't forget...). Happy wife, happy marriage!!! :)
 

otfjoey300

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Thanks brother :) just so happens I got some Lilly on hand, (80$ for 4 x 20 mg brand name cialis) - my dr will give to me no problems, but I found another source with pharma grade but a generic, and I get 20 x 20 mg pills for around the same cost. They are shaped the same as Lilly’s too, I’ve recently been using low dose cialis as it’s been recommended to me by many many guys. It’s especially useful to keep the prostate happy when using primo or masteron as well :)
 

suppsforlife

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it's actually likely to offer some side effects. that's why doctors rarely put someone in TRT in doses higher than 150 mg weekly. I wouldn't say is dangerous, but is likely to offer sides
 

rhodes

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no talking about sources in forum
it's actually likely to offer some side effects. that's why doctors rarely put someone in TRT in doses higher than 150 mg weekly. I wouldn't say is dangerous, but is likely to offer sides
I was going to a trt clinic..I am 43..I was never a bodybuilder and always had 1,000 ng naturally till the age of 39..The clinic I am going to is full of females which I find strange and they want my level at 800..I told them to shove it..If I was naturally at 1,000 why would I want a 7---800 level..You know what has side-effects also..Life!..I am so tired of this clinic full of women that is why I am now getting my trt in Florida...and I did order with CENSORED Anavar...I used a site also called CENSORED which I think may be a scam..If you could check out my post..thanks
 
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suppsforlife

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You were put on a TRT with natural levels of 800???
and I did order with suppsforlife Anavar...I used a site also called body gear which I think may be a scam..If you could check out my post..thanks
thanks for having trust in our source, but as far as we talk about other sources - I can't say anything as I'm not familiar with them.
 
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