TRT n adding in cycle question

Ytown82

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Hey guys it’s been awhile since I posted but I have some questions n you guys were amazing in the past. Currently on TRT n my dosage is between 200-300 mg (sorry drawing a blank on exact number at the moment) shot once every two weeks by my doctor. I add in an additional shot on the other weeks on my own so basically I’m taking that shot once a month. Recently off adding Dbol for a six week cycle n put on some nice size. Here are my questions/issues

1. Ended up with some gyno n yes I use aromison 1/2 tab eod. I think it started when I was on a heavier cycle of test prior to my TRT. So while I’m combating it with AI should I add nolva in? The soreness has gone away pretty good but I have the lumps in my pecs I can feel when I feel for them n they’re tender when I manipulate them.

2. Since I’m off the Dbol I was thinking of adding in Deca a bit. Nothing crazy but something extra with the test. Thoughts? My main concern would be deca dick n I read about adding finisteride but not sure if I can get that. I’m able to get DHT blockers off Amazon not sure if those work good or not.

3. Open to other ideas or maybe I’ll just throw Dbol in the mix occasionally just brainstorming here.

Thanks ahead of time
 

suppsforlife

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Hello man,
AI should I add nolva in?
if you use Aromasin half a tablet EOD and it's not enough to deal with gynecomastia (but you don't have any other estrogen symptoms) then yeah, go for Nolvadex. Use like 1-2 tablets daily. got your blood work?
2. Since I’m off the Dbol I was thinking of adding in Deca a bit. Nothing crazy but something extra with the test. Thoughts?
you can actually use Dbol and Deca together. However, you only need to use Deca during the cycle, only stacked with testosterone, and there's no point is using it for less than 10 weeks because Deca takes just about 6 weeks to fully kick in your system. So, when it's around the time for your next cycle (after you've remained on TRT for a while) you can start with Deca and Test together. for around 12 weeks then go back to TRT
My main concern would be deca dick n I read about adding finisteride but not sure if I can get that.
don't do it. Finasteride won't help with Deca Dick. Testosterone would help with this issue. Viagra and Cialis would help. But no finasterde. I wouldn't actually really recommend finasteride due to side effects.
I’m able to get DHT blockers off Amazon not sure if those work good or not.
anything off amazon are herbals and naturals - they don't work. I mean, they work, but nowhere near actual gear
3. Open to other ideas or maybe I’ll just throw Dbol in the mix occasionally just brainstorming here.
what I would recommend:
12 weeks cycle
12 weeks TRT
12 weeks cycle
12 weeks TRT
where TRT is just to keep your normal T levels, so you run low T dosage alone
cycle is where you blast with higher T dosage (such as 400-800 mg/week or even more depending on experience) with whatever other steroids you need such as Deca 300-800 mg/week for 12 weeks with it and/or Dbol 50 mg/day for example for 6 weeks.
 

Ytown82

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Hello man,

if you use Aromasin half a tablet EOD and it's not enough to deal with gynecomastia (but you don't have any other estrogen symptoms) then yeah, go for Nolvadex. Use like 1-2 tablets daily. got your blood work?

you can actually use Dbol and Deca together. However, you only need to use Deca during the cycle, only stacked with testosterone, and there's no point is using it for less than 10 weeks because Deca takes just about 6 weeks to fully kick in your system. So, when it's around the time for your next cycle (after you've remained on TRT for a while) you can start with Deca and Test together. for around 12 weeks then go back to TRT

don't do it. Finasteride won't help with Deca Dick. Testosterone would help with this issue. Viagra and Cialis would help. But no finasterde. I wouldn't actually really recommend finasteride due to side effects.

anything off amazon are herbals and naturals - they don't work. I mean, they work, but nowhere near actual gear

what I would recommend:
12 weeks cycle
12 weeks TRT
12 weeks cycle
12 weeks TRT
where TRT is just to keep your normal T levels, so you run low T dosage alone
cycle is where you blast with higher T dosage (such as 400-800 mg/week or even more depending on experience) with whatever other steroids you need such as Deca 300-800 mg/week for 12 weeks with it and/or Dbol 50 mg/day for example for 6 weeks.
Appreciate the feedback. AI helped a lot I think I got behind on the AI last cycle because I wasn’t having the tenderness associated with it but it was building up below the surface then boom!! Gyno. So now I’m kinda behind the 8 ball. AI regularly has helped a lot but the tissue is still there so hopefully the nolva helps more.

I don’t want to run test/deca/dbol all together I’m not going for huge gains just some nice steady increases so that’s why I said dbol then something else when not on dbol just to switch it up. Was looking for any suggestions. But if I go with deca I’ll do the 12 weeks like u stated n hopefully the test is enough to counter deca dick. I’d do the bare minimum of 300 a week on the deca like u said because I’m not trying to go crazy here. Bloods are done by my dr n he really never said anything to me so I assume there’s nothing wrong or he woulda addressed it with me. I go back to him in august for blood work so I’m probably going to have to hold off on doing the deca till after that appt u think?
 

suppsforlife

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hopefully the nolva helps more.
i hope too. but there are cases when nothing helps remove gyno except for surgery... although I hear that's a quick surgery...
hopefully the test is enough to counter deca dick.
have cialis/viagra handy in case of anything
also have cabergoline handy. deca can cause high prolactin which leads to erection/sex drive issues and... to gynecomastia
so I’m probably going to have to hold off on doing the deca till after that appt u think?
either hold off, either risk it, either go for a blood work by yourself (private labs or something)
 

Ytown82

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i hope too. but there are cases when nothing helps remove gyno except for surgery... although I hear that's a quick surgery...

have cialis/viagra handy in case of anything
also have cabergoline handy. deca can cause high prolactin which leads to erection/sex drive issues and... to gynecomastia

either hold off, either risk it, either go for a blood work by yourself (private labs or something)
What would be your thoughts on proviron instead of deca? Appears to be a mild form of deca. I could alternate dbol n proviron with my test. Would u still run an AI with the proviron test cycle? I’m sure it just depends on sides I guess so I kinda answered that myself.
 

Twizted

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I don't think I would call proviron a mild form of deca, they are on different ends of the spectrum in my opinion. One is a great mass builder (deca) the other is more of a drug to boost other gear you are using. Deca is a nandrolone and proviron is a DHT derivative. Proviron is great to add to other compounds but does very little on its own if mass is your goal.
 

suppsforlife

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Twizted is right. they are completely different. Which one to add greatly depends on what your goals are.
about Proviron with Test and whether or not you would still need an AI - you answered it yourself. depends on sides. Yet, Proviron, although acts as an AI, it's not an actual inhibitor and it's not as powerful. So, if you're prone to high estrogen, Proviron isn't the best idea (solely for estrogen protection)
 

Ytown82

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I don't think I would call proviron a mild form of deca, they are on different ends of the spectrum in my opinion. One is a great mass builder (deca) the other is more of a drug to boost other gear you are using. Deca is a nandrolone and proviron is a DHT derivative. Proviron is great to add to other compounds but does very little on its own if mass is your goal.
I thought proviron was in the same family as nandrolone just not as potent. I wouldn’t run proviron on it’s own I’m on TRT, add my own test into the TRT n run dbol occasionally I was looking to run something besides dbol when I was taking a break of dbol. The deca worries me a bit with deca dick so thought about adding proviron to the test which I’ll always be on.
 

Ytown82

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Twizted is right. they are completely different. Which one to add greatly depends on what your goals are.
about Proviron with Test and whether or not you would still need an AI - you answered it yourself. depends on sides. Yet, Proviron, although acts as an AI, it's not an actual inhibitor and it's not as powerful. So, if you're prone to high estrogen, Proviron isn't the best idea (solely for estrogen protection)
Goals would be to put on some size but I’m not trying to go into bodybuilding if that makes sense. Right now I’m 5’10” n about 195 with some decent size. I regularly get asked what I weigh n when I say 195 people are shocked n put me around 210-220. To quote a friend of mine I wanna be fuck n fight ready. Good looking size that girls wanna fuck me n guys think i would break them in half lol
 

suppsforlife

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Then increase testosterone dosage above the TRT levels and add Proviron 50 mg/day. You'll work up from there. workout a lot. at least 3 times a week. But better 5 times with cardio. have a great and clean diet. calculate macros, have enough proteins (about 1 lb = 1 protein) per day and so on and so forth.
 

Ytown82

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Then increase testosterone dosage above the TRT levels and add Proviron 50 mg/day. You'll work up from there. workout a lot. at least 3 times a week. But better 5 times with cardio. have a great and clean diet. calculate macros, have enough proteins (about 1 lb = 1 protein) per day and so on and so forth.
I add test to the TRT, workout 6 days a week, eat clean, take protein, etc. I obviously take breaks from the dbol n just looking to add something different in between dbol cycles. Since I’m on straight test for TRT n adding my own I’m technically not do “cycles”. When I run dbol I run it for 6 weeks. What’s your recommendation for running proviron? Also, my dr does do labs would proviron be picked up by them n if so what’s your recommendation of how long before labs to stop proviron?
 

Twizted

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I thought proviron was in the same family as nandrolone just not as potent. I wouldn’t run proviron on it’s own I’m on TRT, add my own test into the TRT n run dbol occasionally I was looking to run something besides dbol when I was taking a break of dbol. The deca worries me a bit with deca dick so thought about adding proviron to the test which I’ll always be on.
Nope as I said earlier Proviron is a DHT and Deca is nandrolone. Very different compounds. Proviron will raise your free test by quite a bit, that may look questionable on your bloodwork but I don't know as I'm not dealing with a trt dr personally .
 

Ytown82

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Nope as I said earlier Proviron is a DHT and Deca is nandrolone. Very different compounds. Proviron will raise your free test by quite a bit, that may look questionable on your bloodwork but I don't know as I'm not dealing with a trt dr personally .
Ok thanks man appreciate the feedback
 

suppsforlife

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I’m technically not do “cycles”. When I run dbol I run it for 6 weeks.
that's already a cycle
What’s your recommendation for running proviron?
start with 50 mg/day for 8 weeks. if you love it, may increase to 100 mg/day for 12 weeks later. some use even 150-200 mg/day, but I doubt you'll need such doses.
what’s your recommendation of how long before labs to stop proviron?
you said you already run dbol which gets your blood test off much more than proviron.
 

Ytown82

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that's already a cycle

start with 50 mg/day for 8 weeks. if you love it, may increase to 100 mg/day for 12 weeks later. some use even 150-200 mg/day, but I doubt you'll need such doses.

you said you already run dbol which gets your blood test off much more than proviron.
What I meant by not running cycles was I’m steadily on test I’m not cycling that. But ya when I run the dbol that’s a cycle I just don’t “cycle” the test since I’m always on it. I planned on stopping the dbol 6 weeks out from my labs just wasn’t sure about the proviron. Was just looking for something to alternate when I’m taking a break from dbol. Thanks for your time n input
 
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