Do goals matter? Does DNA come into play?

GS9902

New member

So I got a question I want to ask to MG members. I see folks post a lot about 200lbs being a litmus test to whether a person takes his fitness serious. Or basically if the person is eating enough and training enough as a reason for them weighing under a certain weight based on their age and height. 

So if you all saw a member who is 5'8 and weighs 155lbs and is asking for cycle advice would you automatically think they shouldn't be using gear? 

Or would you ask more questions before concluding that he's a clown and doesn't eat enough? 

Ive seen a lot of threads end up this way. So let me tell you about an old friend of mine called Popeboy froM another website. 

Pope was a buddy of mine from back in 2011. I met him on a Src thread asking about what type of cycle he should run. Turns out Pope weighed like 125-130lbs. Folks immediately jumped his shit and told him he wasn't putting his heart into his training and diet. Well it turned out Pope had a medical issue that didn't let him produce much testosterone. He had a level under 200. Well I took him serious when he told me that. Coming from being diagnosed low t myself I wanted to help. So myself and a few others like Tread a partner of mine made friend with him and we all helped him out wherever we could. 

He ran a stack of test and then some test and deck and fuck the kid changed his life around. He took food serious. He hit the gym he finally got the energy and hormones that he could not produce endogenously. He did so well he literally had a manager from his gym ask if they could take pictures of him and make him a poster boy for his gym. He could not do that without exogenous hormones. Plain and simple. AAS allows our bodies to work outside of our DNA. It allows us to process nutrients in ways we were never able to. Protein synthesis from Deca is legendary. Structured feed times shuttled these nutrients to muscles alive with saturated blood plasma. our bodies work much more effectively with AAS. Plain and simple. If not then why do all of us use gear If not to work outside of our natural limits? 

Another example is a childhood friend. He is a fireman. I've known him my whole childhood til now. He's 5'7-5'8 155-160lbs 7-8% BF. anyone who knows firemen know they eat like kings. Not junk either. Lots of red meat chicken fish like salmon and halibut. Only the expensive shit too. They train everyday. The work hard everyday when theyre on a call. He eats well over 4k calories a day. Takes fitness and training serious. Former varsity soccer player and runner in high school. Played semi pro indoor soccer. He's an athlete and one of the best motors out of anyone I've ever known. But his current DNA and metabolism doesn't let him gain mass. he could gain some weight from eating 5k 6k calories a day but it won't be any kind of long term lean muscle mass. I think if he added AAS it would allow his body to process his nutrients much more efficiently and it would help with protein synthesis greatly. It would help his body work outside of his natural limits. Isn't that what gear is for? To help us achieve what our natural limits do not allow? If not then why do we use aas? 

 

So im just looking to open an dialogue and not say which is right or wrong. I figured it would be a good conversation and help all of us understand our goals a little more. What rules apply for me might not apply for you and so on and so forth. For each of us there is a "why". Why are we using gear? Is it to be a bodybuilder? TrT? Sports? Recreational bodybuilder? Come on folks chime in and let's see where it takes us. I'd like to get to know more about MG members And what our opinions are on this topic. 

 

milkin

Moderator

Good stuff here GS I will chime in for sure on this one later, ratteling some windows today with the Harley :)

I remember Pops's transformation well, good kid very genuine. 

 

GS9902

New member

Yabuddy! What kind of scoot you on? I got a dyna its been over 100 degrees every day so I've been driving the last couple days. Nothing worse than leaving my house and hearing the bike cry for me as I leave. She's loud too boy screaming DONT LEAVE! TAKE ME WITH YOU!!!

 

milkin

Moderator

Ahh dyna wide or low brother ? Had a low rider 10 years back then elected to go softtail with the duece. Huge difference in comfort as you may already know, soft tails ain't so soft of a ride :) Rolling on a 09 Road King now but missing my little bar hopper.

OK so yes I remember when popeboy lit the first ebc on fire with his transformation, huge inspiration for others. Goth was also pumping him up with inspiration at the time.  His before and after pics were phenomenal. 

I feel that when used correctly, AAS can be most advantageous to not only ones looks, but over all well being. Look, I would guess that well over 50% of guys that use steroids today abuse them by looking or that quick fix to get them ripped. OR, they simply are not armed with the knowledge to be as then correctly. There are some amazing stories of people out there that have transformed themselves and there are those who continue to use with not so good results. So its a good controversial topic here GS on ones views about steroid use. If only everyone can have the perseverance and support that popeboy and others had done. Hey wait... Isn't that review sites are all about ? Knowledge and support ?

 

milkin

Moderator

So with the majority of review site members being recreational and not  careerer users, I feel that it's all about goals. I think most guys/gals use recreationally while a small percentage add to their trt. Now the whole trt protocol is a different t topic as we know but we still see youngsters dying ton"Cruise" because they think it's advantageous. Let's dust off that topic next ;)

 

Dolf

Moderator

Great story GS and great question. You're right...its human nature to be judgmental when all you see is the cover of the book. We should all be a bit more conscious and ask questions before judging. I've always been of the opinion that anyone and everyone deserves help. If a guy has it in hand he's gonna use it. I'd rather see that person safe and productive rather than cast them out like a piece of trash to go it alone. The uneducated public already has enough misconceptions about aas, and allowing someone to hurt themselves only feeds the wolf. Another thing to keep in mind is this guy could be a weight restricted athlete. You never know until you dig down and find the answers.

Ps...GS that's what I like about you so much my brother. You're the first to put your arm around a guy and take him under your wing. You've got a huge heart my brother, and that's a great virtue to possess.

 

Eriq

New member

Great post Dolf.  There shouldn't be any litmus test.  We're all different.   I have a super small frame--Wrist like toothpicks.  Before I started HRT a few years ago, I weighed 117!   At 140, I'm in pretty good shape for my age and goals ( Goal--not to be such a puny wimp).   I eat super clean, mostly because that's the kind of food I like.  I actually prefer broccoli to oreos.  I work hard in the gym to be fit rather than big.  After years of being androgen deficient, I enjoy using AAS to be more manly and see what is actually physically possible with my rather uncooperative genotype.  I'm not ever going to win a contest, or be a powerlifter, but informed and careful use of AAS gives me a more positive body image, confidence, and makes me a more assertive man.  That's really the whole point isn't it?

Cheers.

 
A

Axle

Guest

This hits home for me, when I started my first cycle.  At that point I was 5'10" 160 I couldn't eat enough to grow.  Years later I am currently 213.   My brother had the genes in the family he is currently 6'1" and is in greats shape at 220 never takin any anabolics. I will admit that back in the day I wanted the same mass as he had.  That was my main reason for starting AAS.  I have always been in the gym since a teen, but with out AAS of course I would have never of gained the mass I have earned.    That's my story so IMO, If a newby ask for advice I always ask a few questions to see why they are wanting to start, and some history before I every give positive or negative feedback.  Genetics only go so far, now I will stand by this- you want to use all your natural growth possible first.   Every person is different and has there own reasoning for starting, if you can find the reason why first, I believe we could help guys even more into the right direction. 

 

Dolf

Moderator

Yes sir eriq. I too have small joints and long muscle bellies. I never would have hit 225 if not for aas. Like GS said...we all have genetic limitations. Even on aas our growth potential still has a genetic limit. Its what your expectations and goals for yourself are that matter. What I think you should look like or weigh is irrelevant.

 
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