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tjay

New member

I got deca 300, Sust 350, dbol 50, I'm waiting on the proviron. Also I've got aro and Nolva on it's way. Think I'm gonna hold the deca for another cycle. 

Dbol50 ed/ 5-6weeks

Sust350 tues-thurs-Sat/ 600ml for the week/ 12-14weeks

Aro 12.5 ed

Tamox 2weeks after last pin

I'm 44. 72"  bf? Very little.  

Any advice is much appreciated

 

tjay

New member

I have not run these before. I'm already 4weeks in. Things seem to to be going well. I'm putting on weight, my aggression at the gym is unreal, my sex drive is in overdrive. 

 

Dolf

Moderator

Dbol/sust is gonna puff you up like a toad frog. 

Why the aro 12.5 ed? Be careful not to crash your estro brother.

 

strong

Member

I don't know if you have cycled yet before. If you have a cycle or 2 in I would add the Deca. but your 4 weeks in and eca wont kick in for 3 or 4 weeks. I am just finishing a sust/npp/prov  that I finishe the last 6 weeks with var. It was a killer cycle.

 

tjay

New member

I'm actually doing 12.5 in the morning and 12.5 in the evening. Plus 50mg proviron ed. Also have tamoxifen for pct. The only thing I feel is sensitive nipples every now and then. But it's not bad. Other than that I feel great

 

tjay

New member

I'm saving the deca for future use. I cycled about 8years ago. Test and deca. I got it from a friend and didn't do it right. You know, like these days it's down to a science. And all the resources available it's great now. I didn't know about pct back then. But I do remember that I'm really not too prone to gyno. All man baby! Lol. I was a little edgy at first on the sust but I'm much better now. My body adapts well. 

 

Dolf

Moderator

With nips and cycling they get and stay hard pretty much constantly. They can get sensitive from rubbing on your shirt. That's not gyno. However if you press on your nip with pressure and they are very tender then that's a good sign of gyno. There's nothing wrong with being cautious, but aro is a suicide inhibitor, and if you go too far its not a quick bounce back from low estro. Also proviron while not an ai helps it that too by freeing up more test. More free test means less test is bound and converted. 

 

Dolf

Moderator

I read your post again. 25mg aro ed is definitely way too much brother. My suggestion would be to run the aro at 12.5 eod at the most. With proviron though e3d would be my starting point and adjust from there. Are you gyno prone? How many cycles have you run?

 

tjay

New member

Thanks brother. I will take that advice. Another thing, my appetite is just ... I can't stop eating. 

 
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Dont_trip

Guest

You stated that your feeling great, sex drive is up strength is up. My opinion is keep doing what your doing obviously you have not crashed your estrogen considering you are what 4-5 weeks in already? If that ai dosing protocol works for you then keep at it, but I highly suggest blood work to really tell you what's up. Its a fact everyone aromitizies differently some more some less and there are also other considerations, if he is running ugl ai's especially an expensive and often under dosed one in aromisin then his 25mg Ed May not be a true 25mg. if you are feeling amazing appetite is up and sex drive then keep at it bro just look out for the signs of crashed estrogen which is basically the complete opposite of what your feeling like ", just my 2 cents

 

tjay

New member

Thanks brother. I haven't felt this great in a long time. I'm actually getting along with my kid's mother. I've got boundless energy. I feel like I'm in my 20s again, it's great. You guys (my brothers) on here are great too. I know I haven't posted much but I've been researching a lot and reading lots of older posts on here to get myself educated. I don't like not knowing things. If you know what I mean. It's my body. 

 

Dolf

Moderator

We both know that 12.5 mg eod with aro is often times too much for a lot of guys. This guy is running 4 times that amount along with proviron. We also know that aro is sometimes faked. I would be more aptly to say its bunk more than under dosed. 

The great thing about a community is you have one problem with multiple perspectives. DT the old adage of if its not broke then don't fix it is usually a good protocol, but something here is broke and its this guys aro for the reasons stated above. An ai is one of the most vitally important parts to anyone's cycle for obvious reasons. I just don't feel comfortable with this guy taking 4 times the recommended amount, and he feels great. If this were me personally I would have more ai from another source ordered and coming pronto. 

A little tip given to me by standingup that i'll pass on to you is pill form ai's are better than liquid because the dosing is more accurate, and as far as ai's and pct items go overseas sources are the way to go.

 
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Dont_trip

Guest

If what your saying and I am saying which is the AI is more than likely under dosed If guys here tell him to lower his dose because on PAPER that is way too much then we're gonna screw up his cycle,considering he has said himself he feels great,Sex drive is up and strength is up Now Those are NOT signs of crashed estro  and if he has been running his ai for 4 WEEKS at that dose trust me he aint gonna crash it now LoL that would of happened a long time ago.Now I do agree he should buy more AI from another source preferably pharma,But Blood work s the only true way to handle this situation.With all due respect just my humble opinion.... If it aint broke 

 
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Dont_trip

Guest

In my opinion keep doing what your doing and just keep an eye out for signs of crashed estrogen because you will feel like shit and obviously if you feel great thats a pretty damn good indicator that your estrogen is not crashed =),But go buy yourself some pharma AI and pay attention to your estro when you drop the oral okay.GET BLOOD WORK ITS 50$ =) if you need to know how let one of us know and we will hook you up

 

tjay

New member

I cycled once before a long time ago when I didn't know about ai's and pct. I'm going to order some stuff from a pharma overseas. And not liquid this time. Thank you brother

 

Dolf

Moderator

I didn't realize he'd been on cycle for 5 weeks until you said something. I see a guy running 25mg of aro and alarm bells immediately go off. His aro is garbage and most likely no good. Not sure I'd want to continue to put something in my body if its not working and I'm not sure what it is. That's just my humble opinion...don't fix it? 

 

millsberry pie

New member

im not a vet or running an ai myself but I do have more ancillaries (spelling?) on hand than gear. if I even thought for one second my ai's were bunk I would buy two more brands asap.

 
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