New cycle. thoughts?

[CaptainRed]

5 foot 9, 195lbs about 12%

almost 6 years of trainning. 5 yuears naturally. started first cycle last october.

500 week enan

30per day dbol for first 4 weeks

 

Now my next cycle was planned to be enan at 500 12 weeks deca at 400 12 weeks and dbol kick start for 4 weeks. and  while the long enan tapers 1oo mg prop eod for weeks 12-14 then pct  4 days after.   

now i have come across some strango meds sustanon 350 (looks to be  high quality stuff) and im thinking of putting that in place of the enan. at .45cc eod . come out to about 551 test a week. also  thinking about running nandro base ( no ester so 8 hour life) ed at half a cc for  20days.

 

so the new proposed cycle would be

sustanon 350  .45cc eod for a total of 551 mg test a week 1-12

deca 400 mg  weekly1-12

dbol 30 mg   for about 33 days kickstart

nandro base at 50 mg ed for 20 day kickstart

test prop at  100 mg eod for 10 pins so a little over 2 in a half weeks. For weeks 13, 14 and most of 15

4days from the prop i will start pct.

 i will be running prami and  aromasin through out cycle and pct.

pct will be nolvadex and prami and aromasin and if i can  get some i will run torem along with the nolva at 120 90 60 40.

 

also im running accutane through out ed.... yes i know its bad for you and im taking proper liver precautions, so please guys lets not make a thread about accutane. lets keep the variable out and llook at the cycle. thanks!

 

this is my second cycle and im always open to suggestions... but please dont respond with  what your buddys friends friend said that happened that one time. looking for some real advice from some  experienced users on the new world of cycling. no offense to old school but times have changed and we all need to adapt

 

 

[Dolf]

A couple things I see are first deca should be ran for at least 16 weeks to really reap the benefits because its such a long ester.

Dbol at 30mg ed is a waste...50 mg ed should be minimum imo, and I like to see orals ran for minimum 5 weeks, but 6 weeks preferably. 

I also prefer caber over prami. Prami needs to be ramped and has some bad sides.

As far as your pct goes if you don't mind I'd like you to explain your plan in detail. 

The cycle your running is by far one of my favorite bulkers.

 

[CaptainRed]

ive never ran deca so im unsure how my body acts. yes people run it for 12 to 16 weeks. i see  you should run it atleats 12 and most of your gains will be after the ten week mark generally. i also see that it shuts your body down pretty hard and  i guess 12 weeks is more testing the waters. i may not go with the nandro base though. ive never used caber or bromo but i have run prami and i have no sides other than some sleeping issues witch i resolved with upping the dose( yes i did this slowly as i have research alot on prami) also a side effect of prami is increased growth hormone by up to 300 percent for 2 hours after dosing .  (who doesnt want that) i take it before bed  probably e3d or as needed.  it should keep gyno away not that i am prone to it but should also keep 5ars down. also ill be running exemestane at 12.5 eod or as needed to keep estro down.  first cycle i ran dbol at 30 ed for just short of 4 weeks( i was shorted on my order) and in the two weeks i put on close two 20 lbs. from 178ish  after a 10 weeks cut to about 200 in fluctuation.  so i dont think i need more than that. also the other variable is accutane. dont want to be to toxic to the liver. as mention im taking liver protection. also im runnig sust vs the enan so with the prop and pheynl i should have some synergistic   results better than the previous cycle.

my pct is pretty basic. im prone to acne during pct. didnt get any on cycle at all but then 2 weeks after it went crazy. continued to get worse every month. been on accutane for over a month and its just starting to clear. so that being said i dont want to go with clomid or hcg.  ill be running nolva at 40/ 40/ 20/ 20 and maybe a fifth week at 20. aswell as aromasin at 12.5 eod and then taper it to .06 eod and one week past  the nolva. prami the same run it  at  .5mg eod and taper. i would like to get toremafine  and run it along side at 120 /90/ 60 /40

i felt as though i recovered pretty well last cycle with nothing but the nolvadex. never felt run down as far mood and labido. though i got into a bad car accident 6 weeks in at 205lbs and tore my rotator cuff. spent a few days in the hospital but cotninued the test for better quicker recovery. but i can say i was depressed for a good couple weeks before pct but during pct i felt fine. so i feel my pct is adequate.

if i wasnt on the accutane i would probably up the dbol to 50 and run for 6 weeks but i dont want to wait 5 more months to start that.

 

 

[GS9902]

Test dose is way too low. nandro base is a total waste for a kicker used only once a day. I've ran it. It's not meant for someone on a second cycle or for a kicker. Pct is not ideal.  You said you've never run deca yet you're running the same pct as test and dbol? Why would you assume it is sufficient when you used it with drugs far less suppressive than deca? Sorry bro but I think you may be in for a few issues as youre set up now

 

 

[CaptainRed]

Why is test to low? Because im running 400 deca? You think i sound be 200 overwithtest or 2 to 1 or 100 over.. every body is different. And because of this everybody different opinions.  I agree about the nandro bas as i said i probably won't use it.  And pct  Im not ruinning it the same and second i assume it's suffice because I'm running differently.   ABut that is why i asked the advice.  Why do people insist on telling you what's wrong but never come back with a good solution or advice. .  Do you not like torem.  Have you used it.  Or is it the nolva you don't like or do think i should be runing hcg and clomid.  I feel pct is very user dependent. I also think it's way over hyped.   Do i think it's important  of course . But i don't think i personally  need clomid nolva hcg prami aromasin and torem... but  gs9902.. if you want actually  give me some advice  instead of telling me what's wrong then let's hear it..

 

[Dolf]

Well I'm here to tell you pct is the most important part of your cycle. For you to say pct is overrated tells me a lot. You've got 1 cycle under your belt my man. You lay out a cycle and ask for advice, but reject it. Its a decent cycle but it needs a few tweeks. We do this because others helped us along the way, and we like to pay it forward.

GS is one of the smartest aas guys you'll ever have the pleasure to cross paths with. You can take his word as gold brother. When it comes to pct you will not find anyone smarter.

This is a process. We ask these questions and make these comments for a reason. There's a method to the madness, but you need to go along with and be a part of the process. IMO your response to GS was pretty disrespectful. Trust me that GS goes above and beyond to help a brother out. 

 

[CaptainRed]

well i apologize to gs and yourself, not trying to be disrespectful. i guess if you want to give advice then go for it,  i would appreciate it.  i joined the site to learn but. if you want to beat around the bush  and go through a process before you give advice.. well  then  ill figure it out or i wont lol.

 

[Dolf]

Its all good my man, but I don't feel I beat around the bush. I told you run your deca 16 weeks, and up the dbol to 50mg. 20mg more won't kill you as long as you use good protocol for your liver care. 

I don't like the pct at all, but lets let GS set you up with that. In general you set up a decent cycle it just needs a few tweaks

 

[Bash]

Yeah also interested to know why test would be low..?cause I currently have test enth 250 and deca 200.. was thinking of running the same mgs cycle in oct.. with dbol as  kickstart. And what would u guys recommend instead.. also as pct?

 

Thnks