Sustanon vs Test E

[rayray82]

Hey everyone! I'm RayRay, I've been lifting for about ten years now and am finally ready to put together a plan for a first cycle. I'm in my mid 30's and have been researching for some time now. So, here is my question.

 

So many sources say that for a first cycle it is prudent to run a Test E only cycle to see how your body responds to a single compound without the confusion of other compounds. This would help future cycles as side affects arise because it would be easy to identify what changed having a baseline of a Test E only cycle.

 

However, in my research Sustanon seems to be a better option than Test E only. Here are my thoughts,

1. Sustanon seems to be both faster acting and longer acting than Test E. 

2. Sustanon seems to produce less water retention than Test E and less stress on the lymphatic system (this would keep your blood pressure lower than running Test E only).

3. Sustanon Aromatizes less than Test E or Test C.

4. Test E seems to have a higher increase of DHT (around 5%).

 

So, It seems like a Sustanon only cycle produces the same results as a Test only with the benefit of less water weight gained, less lymphatic stress, lower blood pressure, lower aromatization, and lower DHT levels.

 

My problem is in my research it all looks good on paper, but I don't know if it always plays out that way in the real world (after all Sustanon is a blend of 4 types of testosterone).

 

Also, there may be other issues with Sustanon I am unaware of. 

 

Any advice about the pros and cons for Sustanon vs Test E only would be greatly appreciated.

 

It's great to finally be able to ask questions!! Thanks in advance for everyone's help!

 

[kalpa]

Test is test is test.....

Its all about the timing.Sust is to up and down for me. Its fast and slow in the blood but also can raise estro if you don't keep up with shots. I like enath and cypt. 

Everyone will have there opinions so my opinion is that I like slower compounds or fast . not the two together.

 

[Dolf]

Sust is not a good first cycle compound. It can pack a good punch where pip is concerned. Put poor injection technique from a newbie and virgin muscle you have a recipe for crippling pip. Next because of the fast and medium esters sust needs to be pinned more often than test e or c which goes back to the pip issue and most newbies don't want to pin twice a week much less 3 or 4 times a week.

Here's a link written by a very good member after his first cycle. Check it out brother. https://musclegurus.to/forum/anabolic-steroids/new-to-steroids-start-here/92480-first-cycle-checklist-and-shopping-list

 

[Big Nasty]

500mg wk of Test E or C will be all you need for your first cycle. Being your first it will produce great results if your diet and training are spot on. Side effects are mostly zero on this dose although still do your blood work and all that the MODs on here recommend. I agree comments from Dolf and KP, Sus is still test but with different esters which will require more injections. Sus however be a great 2nd or 3rd cycle for your Test base compound when you add other compounds SLOWLY. My first cycle of Test C 500wk was outstanding. 12 weeks is long enough. Be patient, you will not start to see or feel any gains until the earliest 3 wks and the latest 5 weeks. Its a long ester so it takes sometime for it to work in your body. Just push hard in the gym and it will happen. 

 

[rayray82]

Great articl! Thanks for sharing.

 

[strong]

I used Sust on my 3rd cycle. It does pack a punch. I have read that it was originally for TRT patients because of longer lasting. Then discontinued since it wasn't effective.. You would have to pin that Mon, Wed,Fri.  Its not that its 4 different Testerones as you stated above. Its different esters. Start with Test E or C. Don't worry so much about Bloat. I just ran a Test e/Deca/ Dbol cycle and got huge and barely bloated at all because I stayed away from salts, breads and too many of any carbs. Make sure you have an Aromatase Inhibitor on hand. I use adex and you most likely should as well, being that you will only be pinning 500 mgs a week. Keep an eye on your estro. That is more likely to bloat you if it elevates...  Good Luck

 

[Scandal]

First cycle - Test E or C at 500mg for 12 weeks, plus PCT is all you will need. Enjoy!

 

[icdeadlifters]

Damn Dolf took words straight outta my mouth. I ran sustanon 250, dbol and nolva my first cycle and the damn pip was horrible.... Sorta like test400/500 injections we know how they are.....me imo if I was running gear first time.... I would run teste and see how my body reacts to that compound.. Its all bout virgin ass also... My first couple pins wasn't pleasant but after two injects a week I got used to it.

 

[icdeadlifters]

Dolf... On a cycle.... Would running teste 250mg/ew, sustanon 250mg/ew, dbol 40mgs ed, nolva, and liver protector. What ya think bout that cycle????

 

[Ermahgerd]

</p><p>First cycle - Test E or C at 500mg for 12 weeks, plus PCT is all you will need. Enjoy!</p><p>

</p><p>Agreed! I prefer test e, I know it is almost identical to test c but I swear I get test flu every time I use test c. I just seem to tolerate test e better.</p><p>Also, I have never had worse acne on cycle than when I ran sus. I know everyone is different but that's how it affected me. Strength and size wise, didn't seem better than test e for me anyways, and the more frequent pinning (I go EOD) starts to get annoying after awhile lol</p><p> </p>

 

[swolesam]

I dont like blends of any kind. I love flexibility, and blend goes against flexibility since you have no control to up the short ester or long ester, if you want more short ester, you will get more of the long ester as well. Basically i get T enan, T prop solos, and i put the vials next to each others upon administration & draw from each. Example sometimes i do Mon Test E  & P, Wed Test P only, Fri Test E & P. 

I apply this principle to my pre-workout as well. I mix arginine, citrulline, caffiene, BCAA,...  I dont like a pre-determined formula without the flexibility to increase, decrease, remove specific elements on diff weeks.

 

[Ermahgerd]

Amen bro I'm with ya on all that. i prefer to be my own bartender

 

[blastthru23]

I know we are talking long esters here, but my first and following test only cycles were all test p.  The thing I liked about it, especially for a first, was how quickly I felt the effects. then I could play around with dosage since the effects were readily noticable Further, because of the daily injections, I was able to get my pinning technique down (was just pinning glutes, now I'm hitting the quads).  Not trying to get off topic, or go on a tangent...thought maybe this might be useful for a first timer.

 

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[alexhirsh]

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[Mister A]

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[icdeadlifters]

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[icdeadlifters]

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