millsberry pie
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ive read a lot of conflicting views on this subject. ive read that as long as you keep your estrogen in check caber shouldn't be needed. like to hear your views brothers.
test deca without caber
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Caber is not a must use, people say its a "must have" . Just like a fire extinguisher, you want to have it in case. Taking caber without any symptoms is not a good idea. Prolactin is something the male body needs and uses for neurological function, but can mess you up if it starts getting out of hand. So if you run deca without caber you may get away with it just fine, but if a " fire " starts you will wish you had it. You can also look in to pramipexole, but in my opinion caber is the better choice.
Proviron with your AI is really what you want to use no matter what to aid in regulating the progestin/ estro reaction deca will cause
millsberry pie
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is an ai necessary? my last cycle of test I never used an ai because I had no sides. will adding deca to the mix create more sides? isn't the reason for running test with deca is to replace what the deca will shutdown. im about to start my cycle in 3 weeks and want to double check everything.
Dolf
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A lot of guys are not estro sensitive. You can have high estro, but not be sensitive to it. Keeping estro in check even while not being sensitive is important for a few reasons. Females have higher bf% due to higher estro, so one thing high estro can cause in males is hampering your ability to shed fat while on cycle. The higher estro will make your body want to hold onto more of that fat you wanna shed. My suggestion to you mills is run your cycle and get bloods to see your e2 levels. If estro is elevated then run an ai and get bloods again. Finding what works best for you personally is the trick.
Even better analogy.
Milsbury as far as your question, Deca is a progestin so the hormonal activity and conversion within your body will be far greater than a test only cycle. Although high estro may not have bothered you before, the best way to end up with a prolactin issue is to let estro run away with its self.
csancheezy
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+1
millsberry pie
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well I need caber to have on hand. funny thing is unless im dumb and not looking in the right place its very hard to find domestic. may have to postpone my cycle or just run another test cycle......
Dolf
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Caber is a bit hard to find period. Prami is a bit easier, but both in pill form have to be purchased overseas. Domestic research chem companies carry it, but its in liquid form and tabs are always better and more accurately dosed. I was once told by a very smart man that on most occasions when someone is having ai problems you'll find its in liquid form.
So I have a question with regard to the "sides" everybody is referring to. Given that you are on AI, gyno should be more or less out of the question. So the sides would therefore be low sex drive or lactating nips or both? And you always run it 2:1 of test to deca, to combat the sex drive thing so that would mean nips right?