question: if I am floating on a 100mg test trt dose, and add small amount of tren a for a cycle (300mg a week or less), and then come off tren, keeping the trt dose, do I need pct? just starting trt, and was not sure of PCT necessary in that situation. I am looking for more strength gains w/o a lot of water, bloating. I understand that the tren A will compete with the test, so I thought to keep test at a minimum. I had thought to use proviron as an aid in AI dept. if that is the case, would I need camber or arimedex? I have not used proviron b4 so not sure on its sides for me. I am willing for the process to take longer at lower doses. Also am on a 6mo+research of igf29 150mcg and ipam 200 3x per day. thanks.
base test TRT dose +Tren A
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dolfanshan
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If you're trt you don't need to pct. Your trt will keep your test levels elevated, so there is no crash. Provirone does help in the estro department, but is not a replacement for an ai. Always keep an ai on hand. Also with tren being a 19nor its a good idea to keep caber on hand incase prolactin rears its ugly head. Its always better to have and not need than to need and not have.
Outlawthing
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Very good post I was thinking bout tryin tren a wy trt dose to get a feel for tren what would be good starting dose with 200 mg trt per week
ok, thanks Dolfshan, since I posted this, I kept on reading, and that was my conclusion as well, you just fade out the cycle, and return to normal trt......just wasn't sure if I was missing something subtle there or not....better safe than sorry..........also, I guess proviron is added to get the greatest benefit from a cycle, not as a straight AI. many thanks for info!
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dolfanshan
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I know sieg likes to run his test at trt dose and tren a 150mg eod.
Per week, what is minimum dose of Tren ? At 150eod, your sitting at roughly 500mg/per week which is (from my research) a bit higher than I wanted to go.....was thinking more along the lines of 300mg per week, which seems like it would be a pretty hard hitting dose if it was straight Test. Any more thoughts along these lines would be great. Also, proviron, on 300/week or so, what would daily dose be? I will have aromasin and dostinex on hand, or Prami as well. Edit to add: I was reading somewhere, and cant find it again, that no Nolva with Tren, any link to the info would be great. thanks
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dolfanshan
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You can run what you want. That was just an example. Run 100 eod.
A good baseline dose of provirone is 50mg ed.
You can't use nolva for anti estrogen purposes with any 19nor (tren, deca, npp) but you have aro so no worries. You can use nolva in your pct with 19nor compounds though.
Not sure here bro, what exactly your goal or a plan.is., .but.as dolpf said I like my tren high and test a little above cruise dose , im running now actually 100 tren a ,6 ×week , and.prop at 50 6 × week , which give.me600 tren a/ 300 prop ,.caber .5 e4 or 5 days and ai az needed its I been 10 days and no ai yet .. , you must know what your doing , you must know your body , you must know your tells ... you do know when you need to add a ai?? You do know when to add a da ??? If you dont know your body that well yet , can I suggest npp?? Its trens little sister and it is a over all woderful compound and a better stepping stone...because if you fuck up with tren you can be hurting ,
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dolfanshan
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+1 very true sieg.
What's your cycle history and stats ryanwrath?
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dolfanshan
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I ran test 500mg per week, with sus25 2xperweek plus anadrol kick start for one cycle many years ago, then did test500/sus250/deca (forgot amount) for another cycle, then did straight test for my third cycle ( it was all I could get through my connection at the time)...for first 2 cycles I was living....much closer to ol mehico. I just ran the AI eod or so, I never did have any "tells", although my entire life I have ran towards gyno, and worried about it, so I just took the AI. In all honesty, though never did a pct, and knowing what I know now, is probly why it was incredibly hard to have kids later, and why the trt now. my stats currently are 6' 220 roughly 12-15% body fat, been working out for years, im hard as nails physically from working heavy construction plus lifting all of my life. Im listening to you guys warnings, tho, not pretending to know anything in the realm of what kind of knowledge I see here. so talk to me>
edit to add: my goals are more strength nowadays, with very moderate bulk gains, so power first, bulk secondary, if that makes sense, if need more clarification, let me know.
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dolfanshan
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Have you ever considered running test and halo together?
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dolfanshan
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Halo is gonna add massive strength and virtually no weight gain. Its a powerful oral and should be taken in moderate doses. 15 to 30mg ed right before your training session. If you have a problem controlling your temper or attitude halo is not for you. It gives you a short lived rage you take out on the weights in the gym. Make sure to use a really good liver support like liv52. Do some research and see what you think.
Thank you for the halo comment, I was re- researching it, and the rage and liver toxicity put me off...it's possible that I would research very moderate amounts in a controlled setting, but not sure if I would do anything long term. Still a little up in the air on that particular one.
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dolfanshan
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Yea brother halo is not long term. 6 weeks max and must be done with test.