Cycle question

[Foogs22]

I'm trying to determine what dosage I should do for a dbol/tren ace cycle to limit side effects but still make gains. I was thinking 200mg tren a week and 20 or 40mg dbol on workout days? When to start the tren and the dbol and how long the cycle should last. I'm also on 200mg a week test cyp trt

 

[Gainz.]

Have you done cycles before? Most people here are going to tell you to stay away from tren.
And to limit sides you would want a short ester. That way if things go bad that tren is out of your system in a few days instead of weeks

 

[Foogs22]

Have you done cycles before? Most people here are going to tell you to stay away from tren.
And to limit sides you would want a short ester. That way if things go bad that tren is out of your system in a few days instead of weeks

I have not used tren before. Should I hold off on that and just do dbol and test? I am a pretty expierenced lifter but I figured in a lower end dose to try it out instead of just blasting it. Maybe 100mg?

 

[Gainz.]

Dude... I'm not the kind of person to tell someone what they should or shouldn't do... but tren is hardcore. The side effects you can get from it are SCARY! paranoia, delusions, emotional outbursts, complete changes in sexual desire, even changes in sexual orientations (for real tho) unless you are competing on stage... theres really no need for it.
If you're looking to get stronger theres a ton of gear that works way better. If you're looking to get leaner theres a ton of gear that works just as well without the craziness.
Trust me, I see the benefits of tren. Especially building muscle in a deficit. That's the biggest draw to it, and why it's so popular for pros leading up to a contest.

But yes I would recommend test, deca and some dbol if you want to get a crazy bulk cycle in. Most people run test and deca 3:2
Add 20mg of dbol a day and watch the gains grow!
Just remember with oral steroids they are harder on your liver. So you will want something for that.

My next cycle will be a bulk, and I'm planning on doing the same thing.
You want a higher test ratio with deca so you don't get what we call "deca dick"
So that's why most people run a 3:2ratio.
As for what mg to start with? Idk, I'm a pretty conservative guy. I like trying to take the least amount and try to get the most out of it. But not everyone here feels that way.

 

[suppsforlife]

I 100% agree with everything said by AJ11. I would recommend staying away from Tren. Being an experienced lifter is great, but that's not being experienced with roids. Tren is something hard that people go for learning about its benefits, but not side effects. Moreover, if you never used roids, don't ever add 2 new steroids at a time. If you get side effects you won't have an idea which one causes those side effects.
Moreover, 200 mg/Test TRT dosage is low. my recommendation - don't add anything else except for higher Test dosage for the first cycle. If you run 200 mg/week TRT then go for 400-500 mg/week (in total 200 TRT + 200-300 mg more during the cycle). Alongside great diet and workout plan - you'll grow!

 

[HGH.to]

if you want to keep it safer then Tren is among the worst options. Ever used steroids except for 200 mg/week TRT?

 

[Foogs22]

if you want to keep it safer then Tren is among the worst options. Ever used steroids except for 200 mg/week TRT?

Yes I have used only test cycles before up to 450mg a week, no actual anabolic steroids. The tren and dbol will be the first I've ever used. But now I'm thinking against the tren and just running maybe 450mg test cyp/week and 40mg dbol ED. Tren is sounding scarier the more I research it. If the gains come with that big of a risk of sides then I don't really see it being worth it. Especially since I don't compete.

 

[HGH.to]

yeah, if you've done 450 mg test cyp previously and that's it, if you want to bulk up now and don't want to take the too high risks, then 40 mg/ed dbol sounds fairly good. Tren can be good, but it can be bad. But why risk if you don't compete? also, don't add 2 new steroids at once as you wouldn't know which one causes side effects. if you add both dbol and tren and get issues, you wouldn't know which one you should drop. the same applies even if you plan using milder ones like adding anavar and primo at once, for example.

 

[HGH.to]

btw, don't run Dbol for longer than 6 weeks, have anti estrogens ready (it aromatizes a lot), keep a close eye on your diet and have supplements ready, especially those protecting your liver