I like #1 option... For me it would be less sides than #2 option. I would save your orals for next cycle or cut down! Double test than deca always gives me bad sides.. Now I keep Test very very low/not at all & deca higher w/ 1mg of propecia.
Why take propecia???? The penis requires androgenic stimulation, which unfortunately you cannot get with Nandrolone. Hence why people run high dose Testosterone with Nandrolone to counteract the sex side effects, the concentration of DHT from the testosterone has to be significantly higher than DHN from nandrolone so that DHN does not displace DHT from the receptor.
So how do we solve this issue? Im against running high testosterone with nandrolone. But there is a cure!
run 0.5mg-1mg Finasteride with your Nandrolone cycle everyday. This will inhibit a good portion of DHN. Results in 50% increase in androgenic activity and optimal stimulation of androgen receptors in androgenic tissue. This cures deca dick problem, it resolves psychological arousal (due to optimal androgen receptor stimulation in the brain)
But we are left with some issues. Once you do this, your skin will instantly get oily as fuck, you'll have acne out of no where and you lose some of the benefits of DHN. Plus, you want to fuck 24/7 and your dick agrees with you also. It seems like the dopaminergic issues resolve after the brain androgen receptors are optimally stimulated without DHN (as nandrolone will act as the parent agonist, without DHN antagonising Nandrolone).
Also, gyno symptoms would also disappear due to breast tissue estrogen receptor is antagonised by Nandrolone (no DHN to stop this).
Soo.... if we inhibit the formation of DHN, then nandrolone does not metabolise to a piss ass weak androgen in these local tissues (DHN works to antagonise nandrolones true androgenic potency as well, hence DHN actually reduces prostate size, and restores hair growth). With 5-AR inhibition, DHN does not get produced when nandrolone crosses local 5-AR tissues and thus instead would activate those local receptors much more potently.
I know.. I know.. People ask:
How will cutting out DHN increase androgenicity if there is no DHT in the system (no test). Presumably because Nandrolone itself is an agonist at DHT receptors?
Because its the same androgen receptors everywhere. there is nothing special about androgen receptors in 5-AR expressed tissues (like hair follicles), other than that those particular tissues have 5-AR enzyme expressed - So when a substrate for 5-AR comes along to those particular areas, the 5-AR will react and reduce the androgen (testosterone in this case) to DHT. DHT binds tightly to the androgen receptor, and doesn't really like 'moving' away from the area it has been created. Here, DHT has 2-3x the binding affinity than testosterone, so it tends to take preference for the local androgen receptor, and exerts 10x the signalling, once bound.
Every anabolic steroid has an anabolic and androgenic profile. Trenbolone can bind to the same receptors as DHT, and stimulate it. Same as Anavar. Except Anavar is pretty weak in doing so.
When you take Nandrolone. it will float around and come across these tissues where 5-AR is expressed. here, nandrolone will reduce to DHN, DHN will bind to the receptor. This lowers the androgenic potency of nandrolone because of DHN's competition for the receptor - DHN is a weak androgen, nandrolone would still exert its anabolic response in muscle tissue (for example). When 5-AR is inhibited, nandrolone's true androgenic potency comes to light, and is able to bind to these receptors without competition.
Boom.. No deca Dick!!
Some interesting sources
[1]
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...6643280800003X
"Sub-chronic nandrolone treatment modifies neurochemical and behavioral effects of amphetamine and 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA) in rats"
- "Analysis of the behavioral data suggests that effects of the amphetamine and MDMA are dose-dependently attenuated by AAS-treatment, paralleling DA results. In conclusion, the results of this study show that AAS-pre-treatment is able to modulate the reward-related neurochemical and behavioral effects of amphetamine and MDMA."
[2]
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...9.00439.x/full
"Impact of Nandrolone Decanoate on Gene Expression in Endocrine Systems Related to the Adverse Effects of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids" - This one is very interesting, it shows what enzyme systems Nandrolone downregulates and which ones are upregulated. Very very important information
[3]
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...6007601500014X
"Prolonged in vivo administration of testosterone-enanthate, the widely used and abused anabolic androgenic steroid, disturbs prolactin and cAMP signaling in Leydig cells of adult rats" - "The results showed that prolonged (10-weeks) intramuscular administration of testosterone-enanthate, in clinically relevant dose, significantly increased prolactin"
[4]
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...0.01402.x/full
"The anabolic-androgenic steroid nandrolone decanoate affects the density of dopamine receptors in the male rat brain"
[5]
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...04394003013685
"Increased dopamine transporter density in the male rat brain following chronic nandrolone decanoate administration"
[6]
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...06899305003641
"The effect of sub-chronic nandrolone decanoate treatment on dopaminergic and serotonergic neuronal systems in the brains of rats"
Just some calculations.
lets take the following into consideration.
- Nandrolone is a weak substrate for SHBG. So, overall, it is a much better anabolic than testosterone, even if you take the 125:37 vs 100:100 profile into consideration. therefore, there is more nandrolone per mg exogenously administered 'free' to bind to androgen receptors, than is testosterone per mg exogenously administered.
- Nandrolone aromatises at the rate of 20% of Testosterone.
Lets say, we produce equivalent to 70mg/wk Testosterone enanthate. Taking the molecular mass of the ester into account, you would need an optimal 500-600mg NPP (or deca) per week to produce a decent amount of estrogen (but still within limits) - remember, you need neither high or low amount of estrogen for optimal mental and dick health - we also have to take into consideration the fact of how the androgenic potency of an anabolic would also act to oppose estrogen at the estrogen receptor.
Those who have done DECA only cycles and have complained about deca-dick - here is the only and only reason:
- You didnt front load deca. so what occured is that the first 4-5 weeks whilst the ester is peaking in the blood, you arent getting sufficient blood androgen levels (levels not high enough to provide optimal androgen and estrogen signalling).
- and/or you arent taking suffice dose. If you arent taking testosterone with your nandrolone, it makes logical sense to use more nandrolone (500-600mg/wk)
Best method is to front load... or just take NPP! I'm out... You learned enough! Do more research & decide for yourself.
