First Cutting Cycle

breintha

New member

Looking to get some feedback. Is it possible/worth it to also include Clen/T3 to the cycle? And if so, how should it be administered? Thanks!

WEEKS 1-14: Testosterone Propionate 100mg Every Other Day
WEEKS 1-14: Primobolan 600mg/week

PCT

WEEK 16: 100mg Clomid daily
WEEK 17:  50mg Clomid daily
WEEK 18-19: 50mg Clomid daily

 

breintha

New member

6'2 210 BF%?

I've only done two cycles in the past, both of which were bulking cycles:

WEEKS 1-10: Trenbolone Acetate 100mg and Sustanon 250mg

 

siegmund

Moderator

Also , your first two cycles tren , smh , what happened to the test only ?

Also your 6'2" with 2 tren cycles under your belt , your way to light to have benefitted from the cycles (imo) 

Honestly you have to know how to eat right to get big ,2 tren cycles I feel you should be holding at least over 225 -230 off cycle .

why cut ? For your height 210 lbs , is very light , for a lifter .  

You want to be 6'2" and be 180 ? You will look anorexic

the goal here for the stats just dont make sence to me here .and like I said I think you didnt benefit much from thise other cycle , you could of achieved more natty , eating right .   No bashing here my friend just my opion , also when someone keeps dodging the age , and dosnt put it on the avi , says your young , not that we will turn you away but , we will try to talk sence , but 2 tren cycles to late for that .maybe someone else will chime in on clen , I personaly have no use for it , I like the thick look

 

Standingup

New member

Honestly I cant tell you about the tren or T3 , but I can tell you a bit about Primo. 1st it is expensive to run , 2nd the gains are minimal (nice but minimal ) 3rd its best used by someone already "there" so to speak , not really used to start the journey if you know what I mean.

  I think you will be better of re thinking this unless you are just simply sitting on a boatload of known good primo.

 

breintha

New member

I'm 21. I guess what I'm looking for is more of a toned/defined look, although I'm obviously always trying to gain extra muscle mass. I'm not really sure what the best combination is for achieving that.

 

siegmund

Moderator

Honestly , I didnt start aas till a few years back and im 49. ,  I didnt need aas to achieve my goals. Its really 70% diet 30% training and aas as a tool . To achieve that , but I do understand the need to want to use aas .  I know , I have. Used about all , but I run propper today .

may I suggest , a diet to fit your goals , and trainng to compliment that , and seeing you already been running , set up a propper test cycle , with a propper diet and training and I promise you will bypass your goals espicially at your age .

have you had blood work , you need it your young , hopefully your pct was on point and you recovered .  

Theres alot more to this my friend , hopefully you will take the opptunity here to gain some knowledge and prosper

 

strong

Member

I have to say x2 with sieg. I read up on t3. I would not use anything at 21 years old that messes with your thyroid. with diet you can achieve your goals.

 
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dolfanshan

Guest

We are similar in stats except I'm 20 years older. What are your goals brother? What's your ideal weight? Do you have defined abs? There are some good compounds to use to cut before going the tren and clen route.

 
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dolfanshan

Guest

Sieg I know he's 21 and has 2 tren cycles under his belt already, but I'd say he's beyond test only now. He won't get any satisfaction from it. Maybe we can steer him towards an intermediate cycle like sust or prop and npp with a winny finish. Maybe school this brother up on ai's and da's and how important they are. Most importantly school him on diet and how anabolic food is.

 

siegmund

Moderator

I know he fucked up early , I did we all did , well I fucked up late , but still fucked up.  Thats why I told him we wont turn him away , and since he said his real age I have that much more respect for him.. now if we can keep him off trt till 40 ,id be happy

 

At Lee

New member

For the first two cycles, and  immediately began to use trenbolone ... You have bad advisers, because  for the first cycles need to use mild steroids, such as Oxandrolone and Primabolan. And don't use them at the same time,and use them at different times, to listen to your body.

After you have used Trenbolone, Primobolan you give nothing, you'll  only waste your money.

I agree with Siegmund, what are you going to cut when you have such a low weight and high height?
And why such long cycle? 
If you want to get the most useful answer, show us your photos, write us your training program and your diet. Then it will be easy to give you the right advice.
Forget about  T3 at the initial level of use pharmacology.
What are your results? How much weight do you use on the bar in the bench press? What weight do you perform squats? 
Perhaps your results are so bad that you do early use of pharmacology ?
 

breintha

New member

I'm ideally looking to add 10-15 lbs to my upper body (I'm a soccer player, so my legs are already well-built.) What's out there that will yield a ripped look — maybe something that helps reduce water retention?

 

strong

Member

I wud say first. We need your stats ( height ,weight,age,BF) Have u ever cycled before. Soccer is no joke. I don't know 1 soccer player that's not ripped. Lets give us some stats to work with brother.....

 
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dolfanshan

Guest

Ok this statement helps a lot. You're more like a boxer, mma fighter, or wrestler looking to add strength and a small bit of lean mass so you don't lose speed, flexibility, or quickness. You probably train like an athlete more so than a body builder. If this is the case I think you'd be better off with prop, mast, primo, winny, and halo compounds. Running tren though impairs your ability to circuit train and cardio. Did you run the tren during the off season?

 

breintha

New member

What combination of "prop, mast, primo, winny, and halo compounds" do you think would be best for someone in my position? Do you mind giving me a cycle example? The only reason  I started my original cycle was because it was given to me by a friend. I haven't really invested a lot of time into researching different compounds/cycles — it's all kind of overwhelming.

 

Bash

New member

Breintha I would say it would prob be in your best interest to research the compounds some more to see what they do and their sides.. and that way you can get a better idea of what would be a good cycle to run individual to you.. I would say focus on either gaining size (muscle and minimal fat) or cutting (shedding fat revealing muscle).. the drugs do help you do both but to a limited amount.

If you want a hard look stay away from compounds that hold a lot of water. test prop for instance does not hold much water compared to test enth... but a lot more pinning involved.

Good luck!

 
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