Now I know that they're are a lot of opinions for & against front loading, but I believe from what I've been told & studied that there is also scientific reasoning behind it. I'd like to hear some opinions from those that have experienced cycles with & without front loading & the reasoning for or against. My first cycle was a Test E cycle & I didn't front load. As a matter of fact, I was told it was a waste of gear. However, on my next Test E & Eq cycle I front loaded the whole thing & felt definite results. I believe that everyone should definitely experience it both ways. So, let's get this thing going!!
Front loading
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turnupthegas
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Iamproxima
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I front loaded the cycle in on now. 300mg a pin e3d for 4 pins but it still took a month to really feel on. Next cycle I'm not gonna front load I feel like I wasted gear. Just my opinion
Outlawthing
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I have not front loaded but m. Next eq imma front load the shit out of the eq I agree with the prop over front loading the test. But I'm sure frontloading will def get you going faster. But does this also big sides around faster and are the more pronounced?
turnupthegas
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With sides from what I noticed, yes I do get the oily skin and some delt acne quicker, but not more pronounced then normal. For example if you ran prop at 125/mg EOD your levels shoot up even fast due to the half life, so in comparison, 500/mg weekly dose eth (1000/mg frontloaded week 1) would be comparable to 500/mg prop per week as far as how quick levels rise. If that makes sense?
turnupthegas
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This is a pic of prop at 125 EOD as you can see your at around 70/mg released per day by days 5-7. With the front loaded ethanate it still takes 2 weeks to arrive there, so my opinion is sides would be no different then what you experience at a similar dose of prop EOD
Frontloading is a better option for any longer ester compared to a kickstart. With the frontload the actual dose of the hormone comes up fast without the complexity of timing to dropping out a short ester when the longer ester has enough half lives to come up to the desired dosage level. The side effects of the frontload will be no more sides induced by the target dosage of the compound which the person should already be expecting so its easy enough to adjust the starting of the AI to account for the sooner rise in blood levels.
The kickstart method only covering up the fact that the long ester is not up to the working dosage without actually addressing the issue. When the short ester is there then everything is fine but then as its removed if the long ester is not yet to the desired dosage blood levels will drop then rise again as the longer ester comes in. If its taken out too late then it will drive the levels higher than expected during the overlap period triggering increased side effects. Still guys prefer the kickstart method and recommend it even tho the math speaks for itself...not sure why that is.
I know that prop kicks in faster & I understood that, but trying to figure out how to time the kick with prop as to not throw levels off is what I couldn't figure out. So your test is kickstarted with the prop, you're either going to get levels high or low waiting on the E to start. Where as by frontloading the Test E too, it may take a few days longer for it to kick in but your levels are stable.
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I am a full supporter of front loading although the only compounds I front load are generally EQ & mast . Thats just me not much scientific info there. Lol