peoples tells

[siegmund]

Well when it comes to E2 alot of differnt people have alot of differnt tells , like someone might get a lump in throat , certain and most plp , bloat get acne , sore nips etc ... what about if you dont get none of these signs ?? That mean your not pron to gyno ??? Then there is low e2 , tired loss libdo , sore achy which is also true with high e but is there more ???? 

Well im here to tell you theres more and after years !!! Of trying to figure this all out I finally have my evidence ! 

When I started trt and then cycling , I developed this condition where my sinus would get clogged to point of using a bottle of spray a day , I even brought up a post on a few other sites and got chewed the fuck up , like oh ya I stubbed my toe blame it on gear etc.. well my sinus never went away to my last run I was running heavy tren and prop and upped my ai. Aro to 12.5 ed my whole run my sinus never blocked I came off cycle , and boom sinus blockex agion , I didnt think nothing of it , till lately this run , last night I talked to a few bros here , and I decided to change my aro ,, so I upped it last night to 25 mg , which I use to 12.5 eod on this run , well my sore ness went away , I slept all nite stright  I woke up hungry and ready to work out , for the first time in months , and check this out I have not used NO sinus spray all nite or day !!!!

The pfoof is here in my logs in my posts etc , my tell sign for high e2 is bloat , but in my sinus passage fucking crazy but its true like today I did 12.5 aro fine last nite 25 was nust to kick it but , when my e2 is elevated I cant breath there is brothers here that know I been on this mission almost a year now I have my answer.  Everyone needs to know there body and I felt better today than I have in a month

 

[dolfanshan]

That's funny because I've been doing a similar thing myself. I've had similar sinus problems as well as every cycle about mid cycle my libido will drop. I raised my ai dosage to see if it would fix the problem and it has as well as my sinuses clearing up as well. Never attributed e2 to my sinus but it makes sense now. Just thought it was allergies,  but I will see next cycle if it happens again.

 

[siegmund]

:))) you dont know how good it feels to hear that ,, dont get me wrong sorry for your condition but , this is a new era , in our bro- science bro!! 90 % of all we have is bro science , its crazy I did not know why when I was on tren I had no sinus prob . I was ready to use tren all the time , but it was me controlling my estro with the high dose of aro .. when I came off my sinus blocked , back on cycle achy miserable , cant breath or eat or workout upped aro ,, boommmmmm I got mad energy I can breath I walking around with a hard on , its true I thought id say it , feel over all great im gyno prone !!!!!!! But my signs for the most part are differnt than most FINALLY AFTER A YEAR OR MORE , The evidence is in my logs thats why milkin says always keep a journal I went back last night and read over everything and it jumped out at me and bit me right in the face , high e2 ,I need heavy ai while on cycle and when I cruise I still need a mild ,, yes a new era in bro science

 

[siegmund]

Ok you see the roadmap , does the evidence and proof speak ??? Started trt and aas , sinus blocked went to dr. And er numerous times nothing wrong , when I say I used a bottle of spray for years I mean a bottle a day over 3 years my sinus never opened up which tells me now I never controlled my e2 , because when I ran the tren cycle and ran 12.5 aro ed I did not use any spray for 7 weeks and I even havem posts here in forums stating wow cant beleive , I knowmmilk even said aro for sinus  he remember post  becausd he quoted me saying something about aro for sinus !! Well when I ended tren I ended aro my sinus clogged agion till last nite , I upped aro to 25 mg to start then 12.5 a day and slept , all mymsorness and crankyness and sinus problems are gone !!!!  So you tell me what is it , to proove im 110% correct , im already 100% ill miss a dose tomorrow , I clog up get achymmiserable , then the skeptics will beleive , I had a convo with someone thats not convinced well , my nosd my wood my sence of wellbeing my appatite , thats proof enough for me sieg

 

[siegmund]

And no offense to anyone , but I batteled this for years , now I have them proof , and it speaks for it self , so noone take offence , I been cut up humilated and talked to like a asshole , and all along I was right and I have my proof and.maybe its only me , but im not illeterate , I controll my e2 im 20 agion , running around laughing joking fucking breathing so its me ty

 

[Standingup]

I agree with you that bro science and our own bodies are not to be ignored, but the one problem here is that the half life of aromasin is 27 hours and it does not lower estrogen instantly normally it would take a few days.  I do believe you might be on to something, but its dangerous to jump to conclusions so quickly. This is exactly what I argued with Noveskeet about. If you draw your conclusion too fast and ignore other possibilities you could miss the real answer just in case your conclusion was not correct.  All Im saying is continue the experiment with an open mind, and best of all is to repeat the experiment at least twice and get the same results.

 Normally Asin takes a few days to a week to lower estro sigificantly.  Also you said you had just stopped taking proviron abruptly, well proviron is sometimes used as an anti depressant so how do you think an abrupt halt of an antidpressant would affect you ? Just saying there may be more going on, you need to continue the experiment, dont be so sure the case is closed here.

 Again just to be 100000% clear , I like the fact you are studying this, I do trust your bro science, I simply do not like conclusions drawn so fast. I mean its only been 24 hours . Just dont give up the test yet, keep doing your experiment thats all.

 

 

[siegmund]

Fast its been 1 year thats fast ??????

 

[siegmund]

I been on trial and era for a year finally last nite everything cane together xand it takes 27 hours for aro to take effect but not when its already built up in your system for 3 weeks , also , everytime aro s up I can breath , and well being and appatite xcomes with it its not the aro ??

 

[dolfanshan]

I think you're on to something here sieg, but I have to agree with stand about not drawing a conclusion too fast. I never attributed e2 as a reason for my sinuses, but I'm also gonna do the experiment and see what conclusions I come too. I'll keep notes and do the same my next cycle and see how they compare. I'm currently using adex which is good so we can see how this works with 2 different ai's

 

[Standingup]

No a year is not fast, but it was just last night we spoke and you didnt have a clue what was going on, so to have come to a conclusion in less than 24 hours, yeah thats too fast for me.

 Look your excited you are feeling good I get that and am happy for you. Im not going to argue with you.

 

[siegmund]

I see what your saying , but my concern is the sinus , when aro is higher I breath , when low I cant breath ,, andmlike I said I understand what your saying  and this aint directed at you so dont take it wrong I been fucking humiliated and laughed at and made a fucking fool out of over this ,(my sinus ) the.only thing EVER CLEAR IT UP HAS BEEN WHEN MY ARO WAS AT DOSE , x now this sinus drives me to the point of snapping pitcher literaly not being able to breath out nose block your nose and try to sleep 1 nite ,   I promise you cant do it ,   the dr.s the er specialist say there is absolutly nothing wrong not allergies nothing , frustation yes well now , I found what works for that and yes I will incorporate aro into my cruise and continue experment  but this isnt something I thought up in a week or month its before I got here and im here 8 month ,  so I c your point c mine , you know I love you bro healty debate is good :)

 

[siegmund]

By all means bro please do my thing is , im not jumping to conclusions , I been at this a year my  posts here go back 8 months , I just never bring it up because someone always try s to make a fool out of me so this trial and era has been going on like a year , but im convienced for me , I know somethingnin the compounds I run effect mymsinus , and I know as a fact.aro takes thatnawayn it is a conclusion its a fact with me but I dont care im not bringing it up no more ever I know what helps me 5am period ,,, so bro any goodnmovies on tonightnim going to fall back later

 

[Standingup]

Well no one should have been laughing at you or ridiculing you, Im sorry to hear that.

  Still just keep the experiment going. If its been 365 days of trouble, then 1 day without is certainly great, but a week is better ,and a month is an even better breakthrough still. 

 The other thing I want you to keep in mind or at least consider. You have concluded that lowering your estro is what fixed you, but the fact may be that you could have the same estro number and the aromasin could be doing something else. You do know that aromasin is also known to unbind test right ?  See my point is theres so many things that each of these drugs does, and who knows there may even be a slight anti inflamitory property to it I dont know. Thats why the list of side effects is so long and it takes a long time to study, because everyone may not have the same response.

  Look at viagra, they accidentaly found it was a boner pill but that was not its original intended purpose. So who knows maybe Asin will be the next generation of sinus meds ?

  BTW nasal sprays actually cause sinus infections and a treadmill effect. They do help in the instant, but in the long run they will fuck you up bad.

 

[siegmund]

Guys I know I get excited talking about this because its been a issue for years and thenlast year I knew it was aas related , I been to ear, nose, throat dr.. my dr.. the er 2× and nothing , so the last year I busted my balls to figure out ,, I will give this much , maybe e2 is not involved , but the fact is high aro opens me up , that cannot be debated its fact with me , why would I lie on a subject so stupid , nothing changed but mg of aro ,, bang , but I just want you to know why I get excited and a little hyper on this butnlike I said this is somethingni choose to keep to myself anymore , please thanks bros

 

[dolfanshan]

No ridicule here from myself or stand. I'm glad you brought it up because it turned on a light bulb in my head and made me think about my sinuses and the problems I've had with them. I had a small bout with gyno and had to increase my ai dosage and since then my sinuses have been good. You got my wheels turning and curiosity up now. Your on to something here and I wanna help confirm it for myself. You know me brother. I'm the last one to ridicule anyone. Especially you brother.

 

[siegmund]

Maybe I phrased that wrong standing I see where I said I never controlled e2 , that I dont know all I do know as a fact is when im on 12.5 or more of aro ed , my sinus opens , that is the only true fact I have , butni also get more energy and all the good beniesnof the test.im running , so I can see your point there yes

 

[dolfanshan]

You're an excitable and passionate guy sieg. That's what I like about you though.

 

[siegmund]

Standing last nite I was talking about yes im drawn out , but I upped aro and my sinus opened , agion , maybe you wernt aware but im been battling this since I been here , me and milk and others talked about my sinus shitnfor 8 month any day will ben8 month , so you misunderstood , what we were talking about was like 4 days when prov ran out but in the mean time bang my sinus is back agion , hope you know whatm im saying now 

 

[siegmund]

Your reading the whole thing wrong brother , yes I was sore run down achy not here , but when my sinus opened up agion for the second time inyears , thats what im talking about go look at the posts dont assume someones a liar when the facts are in the forums right here 

 

[siegmund]

Yes its totaly differnt the sinus