Planning next cycle 🤭🥴

[suppsforlife]

NPP over Deca is better in terms of bloating. Similarly to Test P over Test C in terms of water retention.
However, while it's better, it's definitely not without such side effects.

 

[EMachine]

How about NPP over Deca and Primo for bulking? I've read you don't get bloating side effects

NPP is known for that…love NPP! It’s a great compound and can be used in a lot of different cycles (both cutting & bulkingI. Normally, I don’t get any bloating or very little from it. Deca on the other hand, gives me the bloat face…like no other compound. Primo is a great product…especially, if you’re on a caloric deficit…I don’t experience bloating from primo…but lean solid gains. The problem that you can run into with Primo is being faked. It’s expensive and many times it’s Test Propionate instead.

 

[PedritoHID]

NPP is known for that…love NPP! It’s a great compound and can be used in a lot of different cycles (both cutting & bulkingI. Normally, I don’t get any bloating or very little from it. Deca on the other hand, gives me the bloat face…like no other compound. Primo is a great product…especially, if you’re on a caloric deficit…I don’t experience bloating from primo…but lean solid gains. The problem that you can run into with Primo is being faked. It’s expensive and many times it’s Test Propionate instead.

I ran Primo for 16 weeks and I'm amazed by the amount of muscle I retained, I was in a caloric deficit around 500, bro I'm this shit is crazy, I've lost a lot of fat and increased size to the point that I can't wear some shirts. I ran 300 only with 500 test

 

[Alexdb2022]

I’m very

NPP is known for that…love NPP! It’s a great compound and can be used in a lot of different cycles (both cutting & bulkingI. Normally, I don’t get any bloating or very little from it. Deca on the other hand, gives me the bloat face…like no other compound. Primo is a great product…especially, if you’re on a caloric deficit…I don’t experience bloating from primo…but lean solid gains. The problem that you can run into with Primo is being faked. It’s expensive and many times it’s Test Propionate instead.

im very intrigued about NPP might have to give that a go next cycle. The bloating is so unappealing to me I’m very self conscious and when I’m bloated I feel fat and miserable and my workouts suffer!

 

[seymour]

I would imagine that a good portion of the bloating you have is in your head my man. NOT calling you crazy lmao! We all do shit like that. Body dysmorphia, insecurity, bad day, whatever it is. There is definitely going to be bloating from time to time. But, I would be willing to bet that your mind makes more out of it than it is.

If you're not tracking your food then you should really start man. I like to use MyFitness Pal. I know some other guys on here use it too. I think I talked to Twizted about it. I bring this up because if you're really that worried about bloating then please monitor and control your sodium intake. Myself and Supps mentioned this earlier. It's really important when it comes to bloating. Sodium can raise BP, heart rate, bloat ya, all that good shit. It's also bad for cardiovascular system when consumed in large amounts for extended periods.

I've never used NPP. Years ago I started out with Deca and have always had great results with it. Never fixed what wasn't broken so to speak LOL.

The only real reason I haven't tried NPP up until now is because I'd have to pin more. I don't mind it when it really comes down to it. Hell, sometimes I have to pin ED for certain protocol I'm running. But, those cycles are few and far between. I prefer to not pin more than x 2 a week whenever possible. It's less intrusive on your body.

With all that being said I do know that I am going to try NPP in place of Deca at some point in the near future.

 

[Alexdb2022]

I would imagine that a good portion of the bloating you have is in your head my man. NOT calling you crazy lmao! We all do shit like that. Body dysmorphia, insecurity, bad day, whatever it is. There is definitely going to be bloating from time to time. But, I would be willing to bet that your mind makes more out of it than it is.

If you're not tracking your food then you should really start man. I like to use MyFitness Pal. I know some other guys on here use it too. I think I talked to Twizted about it. I bring this up because if you're really that worried about bloating then please monitor and control your sodium intake. Myself and Supps mentioned this earlier. It's really important when it comes to bloating. Sodium can raise BP, heart rate, bloat ya, all that good shit. It's also bad for cardiovascular system when consumed in large amounts for extended periods.

I've never used NPP. Years ago I started out with Deca and have always had great results with it. Never fixed what wasn't broken so to speak LOL.

The only real reason I haven't tried NPP up until now is because I'd have to pin more. I don't mind it when it really comes down to it. Hell, sometimes I have to pin ED for certain protocol I'm running. But, those cycles are few and far between. I prefer to not pin more than x 2 a week whenever possible. It's less intrusive on your body.

With all that being said I do know that I am going to try NPP in place of Deca at some point in the near future.

Yea spot on and honestly the sodium is what I figured was the issue. As soon as I cut back on that the bloating went down. However, I have def lost my lean look in place of a dirty bulk look which is not what my goal was so I’m sure my diet changed somehow as i increased my food intake hugely to minimize gainz lost as i off cycle here! While I do struggle horribly with the mental in my head things, I take weekly progress videos and the difference was insane. It destroyed me for about a week but I’ve been getting better. I’ll run a cut cycle here for my off cycle to get shredded for summer beaching! I guess im struggling to figure out exactly how many calories I should be consuming on a cut to minimize muscle loss. Im fine with losing the fat a little slower to keep the muscle gainz as much as possible. Yea, daily pins are terrifying to me. I pin in glutes and the scar tissue buildup is a concern now! I started a few quad pins but they swelled up huge and hurt for days so bad I couldn’t even hit leg day! Had me failing 225 squats -_-. Where else do you guys pin? I’ve heard delt pins are a bad move. I know some pin in the chest but that is absolutely terrifying to me. I’ve looked into sub q pins recently, but it seem like guys use much smaller needles for that. Just need some ideas here! I cannot take that quad pain again that was unbearable

 

[seymour]

MEAL PLAN :

For your diet and meal plan it is definitely a thing of trial and error as to the calories. You can look up some suggestions online. BUT keep in mind those are exactly that....suggestions and starting points. Just like dosages for cycles being suggested and noted on here or anywhere else. Each person is different. Your metabolic activity isn't going to be exactly what you see online...most likely. However, they are good starting points.

It's a slow process to pinpoint if you do it properly. Start somewhere in the range of suggested and drop those calories by 300 or so. Even probably go 400.

Some of the other JEDI on here might have some additional input as to how to adjust that so guys please throw it out there.

Anyways, the point and purpose is to make sure that ED you are consuming that amount of calories. You have to be diligent. Continue this for 3-4 weeks works best in my opinion. As long as you consistently did what you set out to do and you keep track of how much cardio and working out you did then you can compare that to your results.

Did you stay the same? Did you lean out and lose a little? Did you put on some fat or muscle?

If you stayed the same then you have a pretty good idea that what you JUST DID along WITH the amount of cardio and working out that you just did you have successfully identified a good idea of what your daily calorie intake is for maintenance (no changes really).

If you lost a little then you can add 300 or so to that and more than likely that is pretty close to your maintenance.

If you gained I would suggest the next step is assuming 300 less than what you ate for those 3-4 weeks is your maintenance.

The key is CONSISTENCY. You have to keep the 3-4 weeks steady and trackable. If you don't you have no way to truly say...okay I did this and this was the result. You're gonna be all over the place.

This process could take you a month or even two months sometimes to really accurately get that idea. However, once you get that identified you know for the future and it's information you have good to go. It really is vital information to have in order to adjust your diet and meal plan for your goals whether they be cutting, bulking, maintenance.

PINS :

I personally pin exactly like the following (when I'm on a cycle where I pin x 2 a week AND my normal TRT cruise because that is x 2 a week as well with 100mg Test Cyp each time) :

-Dat booty tho, left side on Monday morning, right side on Thursday evening
-Following week I do left quad Monday morning, right quad Thursday evening
-Following week I do left delt Monday morning, right delt Thursday evening
-Following week I start over and go back to them booty cheeks
-This gives me a few weeks between each pin per body part, not very intrusive and makes seymour happy

For my TRT this keeps me at 3.5 days between pins if you count it out. I like to do this because for me personally I feel that it works better and it keeps my blood levels more stable. However, there are guys and studies out there who like to pin all 200mg of TRT/cruise 1 time per week. That is good too. It's all personal pref.

When I'm on a cycle where I pin ED I do the EXACT same thing as above, only difference is that there is only 1 day between each of those pins (not Monday between Thursday and I only get 6 days between each time a body part is pinned). So it's more intrusive. But, that's part of the reason why cycles that require to pin more are generally shorter at like 8 weeks compared to like 12 or 16.

When setting up for the pin I do the following :

-If I'm having trouble drawing the juice I will use a 20gauge pin (don't need to do this often though)
-Typically draw with a 23gauge pin
-When I inject them booty cheeks I ALWAYS use a 23gauge 1.5inch pin
-When I inject quads I ALWAYS use a 23gauge 1inch pin
-When I inject delts I ALWAYS use a 25gauge 0.5inch pin
-Use the smaller shit for delts because they are fairly small compared to the other two pin locations
-25gauge takes a little longer to get juice through; but, I think it's a good trade off

 

[Alexdb2022]

MEAL PLAN :

For your diet and meal plan it is definitely a thing of trial and error as to the calories. You can look up some suggestions online. BUT keep in mind those are exactly that....suggestions and starting points. Just like dosages for cycles being suggested and noted on here or anywhere else. Each person is different. Your metabolic activity isn't going to be exactly what you see online...most likely. However, they are good starting points.

It's a slow process to pinpoint if you do it properly. Start somewhere in the range of suggested and drop those calories by 300 or so. Even probably go 400.

Some of the other JEDI on here might have some additional input as to how to adjust that so guys please throw it out there.

Anyways, the point and purpose is to make sure that ED you are consuming that amount of calories. You have to be diligent. Continue this for 3-4 weeks works best in my opinion. As long as you consistently did what you set out to do and you keep track of how much cardio and working out you did then you can compare that to your results.

Did you stay the same? Did you lean out and lose a little? Did you put on some fat or muscle?

If you stayed the same then you have a pretty good idea that what you JUST DID along WITH the amount of cardio and working out that you just did you have successfully identified a good idea of what your daily calorie intake is for maintenance (no changes really).

If you lost a little then you can add 300 or so to that and more than likely that is pretty close to your maintenance.

If you gained I would suggest the next step is assuming 300 less than what you ate for those 3-4 weeks is your maintenance.

The key is CONSISTENCY. You have to keep the 3-4 weeks steady and trackable. If you don't you have no way to truly say...okay I did this and this was the result. You're gonna be all over the place.

This process could take you a month or even two months sometimes to really accurately get that idea. However, once you get that identified you know for the future and it's information you have good to go. It really is vital information to have in order to adjust your diet and meal plan for your goals whether they be cutting, bulking, maintenance.

PINS :

I personally pin exactly like the following (when I'm on a cycle where I pin x 2 a week AND my normal TRT cruise because that is x 2 a week as well with 100mg Test Cyp each time) :

-Dat booty tho, left side on Monday morning, right side on Thursday evening
-Following week I do left quad Monday morning, right quad Thursday evening
-Following week I do left delt Monday morning, right delt Thursday evening
-Following week I start over and go back to them booty cheeks
-This gives me a few weeks between each pin per body part, not very intrusive and makes seymour happy

For my TRT this keeps me at 3.5 days between pins if you count it out. I like to do this because for me personally I feel that it works better and it keeps my blood levels more stable. However, there are guys and studies out there who like to pin all 200mg of TRT/cruise 1 time per week. That is good too. It's all personal pref.

When I'm on a cycle where I pin ED I do the EXACT same thing as above, only difference is that there is only 1 day between each of those pins (not Monday between Thursday and I only get 6 days between each time a body part is pinned). So it's more intrusive. But, that's part of the reason why cycles that require to pin more are generally shorter at like 8 weeks compared to like 12 or 16.

When setting up for the pin I do the following :

-If I'm having trouble drawing the juice I will use a 20gauge pin (don't need to do this often though)
-Typically draw with a 23gauge pin
-When I inject them booty cheeks I ALWAYS use a 23gauge 1.5inch pin
-When I inject quads I ALWAYS use a 23gauge 1inch pin
-When I inject delts I ALWAYS use a 25gauge 0.5inch pin
-Use the smaller shit for delts because they are fairly small compared to the other two pin locations
-25gauge takes a little longer to get juice through; but, I think it's a good trade off

Man you are the most helpful person I’ve ever met! Thank you so much for the insane amount of help over the last few months. Your absolutely my go to and I can alwyas count on you! The diet thing is very hard for me to get used to. It’s gotta be my focus. Your pin plan is exactly what I wanted to do. However, my quads aren’t cooperating with the 23 1 inch. It’s so painful for so long. I’m not sure what to do about it. I had hoped they’d get used to it, but they absolutely have not. I’ll def be working in the delts next time. I wasn’t aware an.5 inch would do the trick. Sure am glad I asked about it before I gave it a go with the 1 inch!

 

[Alexdb2022]

Man you are the most helpful person I’ve ever met! Thank you so much for the insane amount of help over the last few months. Your absolutely my go to and I can alwyas count on you! The diet thing is very hard for me to get used to. It’s gotta be my focus. Your pin plan is exactly what I wanted to do. However, my quads aren’t cooperating with the 23 1 inch. It’s so painful for so long. I’m not sure what to do about it. I had hoped they’d get used to it, but they absolutely have not. I’ll def be working in the delts next time. I wasn’t aware an.5 inch would do the trick. Sure am glad I asked about it before I gave it a go with the 1 inch!

MEAL PLAN :

For your diet and meal plan it is definitely a thing of trial and error as to the calories. You can look up some suggestions online. BUT keep in mind those are exactly that....suggestions and starting points. Just like dosages for cycles being suggested and noted on here or anywhere else. Each person is different. Your metabolic activity isn't going to be exactly what you see online...most likely. However, they are good starting points.

It's a slow process to pinpoint if you do it properly. Start somewhere in the range of suggested and drop those calories by 300 or so. Even probably go 400.

Some of the other JEDI on here might have some additional input as to how to adjust that so guys please throw it out there.

Anyways, the point and purpose is to make sure that ED you are consuming that amount of calories. You have to be diligent. Continue this for 3-4 weeks works best in my opinion. As long as you consistently did what you set out to do and you keep track of how much cardio and working out you did then you can compare that to your results.

Did you stay the same? Did you lean out and lose a little? Did you put on some fat or muscle?

If you stayed the same then you have a pretty good idea that what you JUST DID along WITH the amount of cardio and working out that you just did you have successfully identified a good idea of what your daily calorie intake is for maintenance (no changes really).

If you lost a little then you can add 300 or so to that and more than likely that is pretty close to your maintenance.

If you gained I would suggest the next step is assuming 300 less than what you ate for those 3-4 weeks is your maintenance.

The key is CONSISTENCY. You have to keep the 3-4 weeks steady and trackable. If you don't you have no way to truly say...okay I did this and this was the result. You're gonna be all over the place.

This process could take you a month or even two months sometimes to really accurately get that idea. However, once you get that identified you know for the future and it's information you have good to go. It really is vital information to have in order to adjust your diet and meal plan for your goals whether they be cutting, bulking, maintenance.

PINS :

I personally pin exactly like the following (when I'm on a cycle where I pin x 2 a week AND my normal TRT cruise because that is x 2 a week as well with 100mg Test Cyp each time) :

-Dat booty tho, left side on Monday morning, right side on Thursday evening
-Following week I do left quad Monday morning, right quad Thursday evening
-Following week I do left delt Monday morning, right delt Thursday evening
-Following week I start over and go back to them booty cheeks
-This gives me a few weeks between each pin per body part, not very intrusive and makes seymour happy

For my TRT this keeps me at 3.5 days between pins if you count it out. I like to do this because for me personally I feel that it works better and it keeps my blood levels more stable. However, there are guys and studies out there who like to pin all 200mg of TRT/cruise 1 time per week. That is good too. It's all personal pref.

When I'm on a cycle where I pin ED I do the EXACT same thing as above, only difference is that there is only 1 day between each of those pins (not Monday between Thursday and I only get 6 days between each time a body part is pinned). So it's more intrusive. But, that's part of the reason why cycles that require to pin more are generally shorter at like 8 weeks compared to like 12 or 16.

When setting up for the pin I do the following :

-If I'm having trouble drawing the juice I will use a 20gauge pin (don't need to do this often though)
-Typically draw with a 23gauge pin
-When I inject them booty cheeks I ALWAYS use a 23gauge 1.5inch pin
-When I inject quads I ALWAYS use a 23gauge 1inch pin
-When I inject delts I ALWAYS use a 25gauge 0.5inch pin
-Use the smaller shit for delts because they are fairly small compared to the other two pin locations
-25gauge takes a little longer to get juice through; but, I think it's a good trade off

Is it a bad move to possibly try a 25 on the quads to help reduce the pain? I realize it will pump slower but it’s so much easier to control into the quad that I’m not concerned. I have very little fat on my legs period so sub q is honeslty gonna be difficult. I also see people using 27+ for sub q quad pins. Thoughts?

 

[seymour]

Let me tell you this though...there are A LOT more guys who have more knowledge and experience than myself. I'm a JEDI in training (despite my avatar lol) I'm not quite elite JEDI yet.

I've received A LOT of help from some very knowledgeable guys. Part of that is returning the favor and helping others. The community that guys immerse themselves in when they enter fitness and using gear is one that can lead people to dangerous circumstances if they don't know what they're doing. With that being said you need to be smart and health conscious. Let's be real...You're not stepping on stage and competing for a IFBB Pro card or Mr Olympia and probably never will. I sure as fuck won't. I just want to be healthy, look fucking good, be my best, and make my wife wet

A lot of the guys on here that you see frequently active are VERY good guys to get advice from. Two key things I can suggest though are some things like cycles and dosages and diet are RECOMMENDATIONS and STARTING POINTS...everyone is different and our bodies and genetic makeup are different. ALWAYS remember that. Just because it a works for others doesn't mean it works for you. ALSO don't blindly take advice, do your own research as well.

The 0.5 inch pins ARE ONLY for delts though. Just making sure you caught that. When your injection is into the quads watch some more videos maybe. Make sure you aren't running it through your IT Band...look it up....runs from Dat booty down to your knee.

 

[seymour]

Is it a bad move to possibly try a 25 on the quads to help reduce the pain? I realize it will pump slower but it’s so much easier to control into the quad that I’m not concerned. I have very little fat on my legs period so sub q is honeslty gonna be difficult. I also see people using 27+ for sub q quad pins. Thoughts?

This is going to fall into the try your own thing and take suggestions. Not always the same.

I would make SURE you aren't running through IT Band.

I also personally think sub q for gear or TRT is NOWHERE near as good as IM. I think sub q should only be used for HGH and HCG. That's just me though.

 

[Alexdb2022]

Let me tell you this though...there are A LOT more guys who have more knowledge and experience than myself. I'm a JEDI in training (despite my avatar lol) I'm not quite elite JEDI yet.

I've received A LOT of help from some very knowledgeable guys. Part of that is returning the favor and helping others. The community that guys immerse themselves in when they enter fitness and using gear is one that can lead people to dangerous circumstances if they don't know what they're doing. With that being said you need to be smart and health conscious. Let's be real...You're not stepping on stage and competing for a IFBB Pro card or Mr Olympia and probably never will. I sure as fuck won't. I just want to be healthy, look fucking good, be my best, and make my wife wet

A lot of the guys on here that you see frequently active are VERY good guys to get advice from. Two key things I can suggest though are some things like cycles and dosages and diet are RECOMMENDATIONS and STARTING POINTS...everyone is different and our bodies and genetic makeup are different. ALWAYS remember that. Just because it a works for others doesn't mean it works for you. ALSO don't blindly take advice, do your own research as well.

The 0.5 inch pins ARE ONLY for delts though. Just making sure you caught that. When your injection is into the quads watch some more videos maybe. Make sure you aren't running it through your IT Band...look it up....runs from Dat booty down to your knee.

Of course I understand! I was thinking of giving a 25 a try on the quad but of course remain with one inch for length. Why do you say that about sub q pins?

 

[Alexdb2022]

This is going to fall into the try your own thing and take suggestions. Not always the same.

I would make SURE you aren't running through IT Band.

I also personally think sub q for gear or TRT is NOWHERE near as good as IM. I think sub q should only be used for HGH and HCG. That's just me though.

All I want is to mog on the beach and make womens jaw drop when they in bed waiting for this and I drop the clothes

 

[seymour]

I was thinking of giving a 25 a try on the quad but of course remain with one inch for length. Why do you say that about sub q pins?

It won't cause any harm at all. I just wanted to make sure you knew what I was referring to.

Honestly, if you've had the problems with the quads then a 25gauge probably would be good. It really is only personal pref at that point.

Watch a few more videos though and look up where your IT Band is. I have a suspicion that you may have been penetrating the IT Band during your injection. I could be wrong though.

Also, make sure you push the juice in SLOWLY, you don't want to wham bam thank you ma'am that shit in there.

Another thing you can do to help and I personally do it even though I don't have PIP or other issues....get a foam roller...a firm one....roll out your quads and booty cheeks after injections. I do this every day anyways; the myofascial tissue release is very good, it's a form of deep tissue massage.

The delts are fucking impossible to roll out LOL, I've tried. It ends up not working and sometimes makes my shoulder hurt from being in that position. I've tried it twice and said fuck that noise.


The sub q thing I noted is just because I'm basing that off of articles, videos, and other guy's info that I've come across over time. I do personally feel that the juice is most definitely better IM. Just basing that off the above shit. I think that more of the compounds actually get absorbed and utilized. However, do a little reading yourself and also seek some advice from other sources. More info and more research is NEVER a bad thing.

 

[Alexdb2022]

It won't cause any harm at all. I just wanted to make sure you knew what I was referring to.

Honestly, if you've had the problems with the quads then a 25gauge probably would be good. It really is only personal pref at that point.

Watch a few more videos though and look up where your IT Band is. I have a suspicion that you may have been penetrating the IT Band during your injection. I could be wrong though.

Also, make sure you push the juice in SLOWLY, you don't want to wham bam thank you ma'am that shit in there.

Another thing you can do to help and I personally do it even though I don't have PIP or other issues....get a foam roller...a firm one....roll out your quads and booty cheeks after injections. I do this every day anyways; the myofascial tissue release is very good, it's a form of deep tissue massage.

The delts are fucking impossible to roll out LOL, I've tried. It ends up not working and sometimes makes my shoulder hurt from being in that position. I've tried it twice and said fuck that noise.


The sub q thing I noted is just because I'm basing that off of articles, videos, and other guy's info that I've come across over time. I do personally feel that the juice is most definitely better IM. Just basing that off the above shit. I think that more of the compounds actually get absorbed and utilized. However, do a little reading yourself and also seek some advice from other sources. More info and more research is NEVER a bad thing.

Again I appreciate the help bud!

 

[PedritoHID]

Stop being so toxic guys

 

[seymour]

Oh good Lord...dude that gave me a good laugh. Idiots at working annoying the shit out of me too. Much needed. Thanks Pedrito!

Fucking media man...I tell ya LOL.

 

[Alexdb2022]

Stay toxic kings. Everybody NPCs say vulgar shit