Test P; Anadrol; Tren ace; Mast P;

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blastthru23

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Here is what I'm tentatively planning to run beginning September 5th pending any suggestions, which may amend, modulate or change the following 16 week cycle.  First, I will lay out the cycle, which will feature (I like this word, thanks MrA for this word and the help laying this cycle out) an anadrol pulsing cycle (thanks John69 for the heads up on this method). The pulse is in view of the likely sides from drol, namely liver toxicity, and elevated DHT. FUrther, anecdotal evidence shows that pulsing may result in similar gains as using drol continuously while mitigating the harsh sides. Second, I will state my goals for both phases of the cycle (the first half being a lean bulk, the second a recomp/cutter). Third, I will give an example of the bulking diet I came up with based on SF's suggested carb cycling diet (still contemplating the recomp/cutter phase; have to see how the first phase plays out). Finally, I will give a rudimentary workout schedule. So here goes...

Bulking Phase:

Cycle support includes Liver support, Prostate support, Aro, Adex, Lasix for water retention, and HCG (I'm on the fence regarding on-cycle use of Nolvadex. Many boards state that using Nolva while on drol helps with the estrogenic sides from drol.  It is assumed that drol binds with e2 receptors despite the fact that drol does not aromatize as it is a DHT derived steroid). I will be drinking up to 2 gallons of water per day (currently, I'm up to 1.5 per day).

Weeks 1-8: Test P 750-1000 mgs per week (mgs are up for amendment) Daily injection

Weeks 1 & 2, 4 & 5, 7 & 8: Drol 50 mgs daily. Weeks 3, and 6 off. Weeks 

Recomp/Cut Phase

Cycle support includes Caber, Liver support, Prostate support (can't hurt as I'm 46), aro, adex, and HCG


Weeks 9-16: Test p 350-400 mgs per week daily injection

Weeks 9-16: Tren Ace 525 mgs per week daily injection

Weeks 9-16 Mast P 600-700 mgs per week daily injection

Goals

My primary goal for the bulking phase is to build my lats, biceps, and vastus medialis while hopefully growing proportionately in all areas. A less apparent goal is to learn how my body responds to Drol in general.

My goal during the second phase of the cycle is to keep the gains from the drol as much as possible, while hardening the muscle and increasing vascularity.  Of course, I want to drop the water, which presumably will happen what ever the case may be.That is why I follow the Drol with tren and Mast P. I am using tren to solidify the gains from the drol, and the Masteron to harden the muscle.

Diet

I will be incorporating a carb-cycling plan for the bulking phase of this cycle. This plan is based on information I received from SemperFi. This plan is a 3 day cycle of low, moderate, and high carb days. The menu is designed for simplicity, and efficient preparation, so it may not seem too tasty...

Day 1: P= 400 gr; F= 72 gr; C= 150 gr

Day 2: P= 350 gr; F= 72 gr; C= 300 gr

Day 3: P= 250 gr; F= 72 gr; C= 450 gr

Day 1 Meal Plan:

Meals 1 & 5: 60gr protein powder; 1 oz. hemp seeds, or 20 gr flax seed powder; 1/2 c. oats

Meals 2, 3, 4, and 6: 8 oz chicken breast, 1 oz hemp seeds, 1/6 c white rice, 1/4 c frozen mixed veggies

Day 2 Meal Plan

Meals 1 & 2: roughly 45 gr protein powder; 1 oz hemp seeds; 1 cup oats

Meals 2, 3, 4, & 6: 8 oz Chicken breast, 1 oz peanuts, 60 gr shredded wheat, 1/4 c frozen mixed veggies

Day 3 Meal Plan

Meals 1 & 2: 30 gr protein powder, 1 oz hemp seeds, 1.3 c oats

Meals 2, 3, 4, & 6: 2 oz chicken breast, 2 tblsp Olive Oil, 1/2 c quinoa, 20 gr shredded wheat, 1 c mixed veggies

Training Plan

My training plan is based on a five day split training on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday or Sunday.  I don't really stick to a "Monday is chest day" and so forth. So, I won't even pretend that I have a set-in-stone approach. However, I currently train  Chest/abs, triceps/shoulders/cardio, biceps/hams/calves/abs, back/cardio, quads/abs on respective days in a five day split fashion. I may, while on cycle, train on otherwise off days focusing on either lats, biceps or VM depending on what I did the day before.

Conclusion

This plan is obviously open to suggestions. I am not dead set on a start date as I want to do this correctly.  Though I spelled out my generalized goals, I will be taking each day as it comes, and watch how my body/mind respond to the compounds I plan to take during this cycle.  While I have expectations of muscle growth, I am going to remain open to what comes, and what may not be achievable for unforeseeable reasons. I chose short esters just in case problems arise whether physical, emotional, or mental.  I've run tren before, and have an idea of what to expect.  I'm a bit like Burr insofar as I tend to become much more empathetic. Since coming off the tren some time ago, some of this empathy has stuck with me, which tells me there is much more to gain from AAS than what meets the eye, we can and should grow emotionally, and mentally when we use these substances given that hormones effect other physiological systems including but not limited to our central nervous system (i.e., the brain) And to this I look forward :)

I know this was a bit long-winded....

Thanks,

Blast

 
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blastthru23

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Forgot a couple details: I'll be taking 300mcg split into 3 pins of 100 mcg GHRP-2 weeks 1-8, and GHRP-6 weeks 9-16 using the same dosing protocol. Oh, and cialis for bp during the tren phase, dose tbd. Yes for bp, won't need it for wood ;)

 
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SemperFi

Well-known member

Blast,

You certainly put in a lot of time planning and I highly respect that. It's great to see someone enjoy putting together a well laid out plan for all to see BEFORE they even start pinning.

Looking forward to your cycle log and the updates that follow.

Screw taste! This is about the return on the food you put in your mouth. You have the rest of your life to eat for taste! ;) Four short months brother.... only four! 

SEMPER FI

 

 
calmb4dastorm

calmb4dastorm

Moderator

VERY well thought out! I like the cycle, diet, and training plan. You chose the compounds based on the results they bring! Very well put together. I look forward to following your cycle and progress, brother! 

 
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Mister A

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Nothing better than a well thought out plan. Well, I guess a well thought out plan properly executed with no setbacks is better. Anywho. I know a lot of people say that GHRP 2 isn't as appetite inducing as GHRP 6. If that's the case with you, then you may want to invert the two so you're not cutting with a monstrous appetite. In either case, if I run Tren again I do it with a GHRP to prevent appetite loss as much as possible. I get great results from Tren, the only downside is that it makes life unbearable. But ya know, gains are more important than your health. (Sarcasm.)

I digress. I enjoy your specificity in targeting your vastus medialis. I tend to believe that things like quad sweep are largely genetically determined. I've never focused on any individual quad muscle. I've always just worked as hard as possible on squats and one or two other exercises. My legs are my best genetic body part though so I probably can't provide much insight if yours are lacking. But I do know that these muscles all push into each other. You build one, the others are going to react. Oh and hack squats with a narrow stance. Just be careful doing those. Very easy to pull a quad in the stretch position there. Shit rolls up like a window shade. Pretty cool actually if you're lean enough to see it.

Lats are easy. Do your regular back day. 3 days later do chins until you can't hold yourself up after you train biceps.

Biceps are easy too. Alternate a heavy day and a squeeze day with 6 sets each workout. Train 6 days in a row and take the 7th off. Do that for 6 weeks then stop training them completely and do back twice a week with all underhand stuff.

 
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blastthru23

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I haven't eaten for taste in such a long time that cottage cheese is almost as sweet as ice cream!

I've eaten tons of tasty food and was fat and miserable. I'd rather eat bentonite clay rabbit roasted over a campfire (well, that does taste pretty good actially) than rich french cuisine.

I'll put up a cycle log soon. Btw, SF, you inspired the prep stage. Can't thank you enough. It's going to be interesting to see the results on the other side of four months. Blood work should be in next week (ordered free and total testosterone to get an idea of where I'm at presently)

 

 
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blastthru23

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Thanks Mr.A for your review. I intentionally inverted the GHRP-2&6 mostly because my appetite on tren was severely disabled. But I'm going to flip it back around using 6 during the first phase and 2 during the second phase. Thanks for putting that isdue into the proper light :)

I think i may be suffering from mild body dysmorphia. I do have genetically blessed legs, no chicken legs here lol! When i look in the mirror it seems that the VM is trailing behind. Nevertheless, I'll keep adjusting feet positioning to target that muscle, if not for anything else, it'll be good practice in isolation. 

Same goes for biceps i suppose, however, I like the approach you described above. I usually mix heavy and squeeze on the same day. I'll alternate the two techniques heretofore. Quick question for clarification: With respect to training 6 days, rest on 7th, do you mean train biceps 6 days straight? 

Now, for them lats! They are in fact showing up, and I'll add the chins nonetheless  

 
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blastthru23

Moderator

Thanks dacubanheat, it was quite fun putting it together. I'll be posting it in the cycles section soon (probably tuesday...).

I'm  assuming that you're planning to run tren, if so,given that tren would at least require E2D injections, and to mitigate unforeseeable problems, and unless you've run tren with enth with no problems, I'd suggest you run prop with tren ace.  There is a ton of discussion about the tren here on MG. Take a look around and see whatchya think. There are plenty of good folks that'll help with questions and concerns with regards to that compound.

Or is it the drol you're thinking about?

 

 
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Dacubanheat

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Ive run a good amount of different compounds. Done tren a and tren e. I prefer tren e. My only issue with tren is gyno which I try to mitigate with caber and aromasin or adex but it pops up fast on me. All the other sides are not an issue just annoying like night sweats and slight insomnia. Ive taken drol before and loved it def cant wait to run it again. 

Favorite cycle was test and primo. 0 sides great results but expensive. Tren of course is the strongest one and nothing compares to it as long as you can tolerate the sides. Wanted to do a bulk of test and deca then seitch to test and tren but I think that might be to rough. Have you tired that something Like that before? 

 
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blastthru23

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Nope, never ran deca, it's in the future I'm sure. Deca dick keeps me hesitant...

For me, the only annoying side from tren is appetite suppression. I keep the caber rolling at a low dose, never experienced any gyno. Guess I'm lucky  :)

 
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Mister A

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I would bet that your VM trailing behind is simply genetic. Keep working hard on squats. All the fancy footwork usually tends to lighter someone's ability to put forth max effort. If you are squatting 405 or 495 for 4 sets of 10, you'll have big legs. That is the only goal I've ever had when it comes to legs. 405 for 4 sets of 10. I do 5 or 6 sets of leg extensions working from 25 reps to 10 reps. Then I squat. I can get a set of 7 with 405 on my last set nowadays (315x10, 365x8, then the 405 set) then I drop back down and get 315 until I feel like I'm going to die. Then I go home. I got good leg genetics so as long as I work hard like that, they grow. If you're in the same boat I'd apply a minimalist approach as well.

Biceps:

Day 1: Cable Curls - 2x15, DB Preacher - 2x12, Alt DB Curls - 2x12.

Day 2: Barbell Curls - 6x6-10

Day 3: Overhead Cable Curls - 3x15, Concentration Curls - 3x12

Day 4: Machine Preacher Curls - 6x8-10

Day 5: Lying Incline Curls - 2x15, Machine Curls - 4x15

Day 6: Hammer Curls - 6x6-10

Day 7: Rest

After the regular workout. Or mixed in with triceps. Do this for 6 weeks then take 4 weeks completely off from biceps while training back twice a week and making sure to include at least 3 Underhand movements for back. Then you can try it again or go back to a once a week approach for awhile. 10 week plan to shock them into growth. For some reason they respond really well to being worked hard and then going to only indirect training. It seems like a lot to train them 6 days a week, but you're doing 6 sets a day. We're talking 10-15 minutes max. Swell the muscle, then get out. Cell volumization of a very little muscle on awhile do consistent basis will always lead to growth.

 
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Mister A

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I look forward to seeing how this works for you. I think you'll enjoy it. Especially when they start growing without training them.

 
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