Third Cycle Advice

[Rhino73]

Hey guys, just getting ready go on third cycle and wanted to get any comments/ advice from the more experienced.
First cycle was 500mg test e /wk for 16 weeks
Second cycle 400/300/300 Test E /Primbolin/ Decca for 12 weeks
Proposed Third cycle 500/300/300 Test E/ NPP/ EQ per week split in two doses for 12 weeks

First two cycles went well with moderate gains. No AI needed but did get a bit of back acne and a bit of fatigue.

Working out 5 days a week with cardio on 6th day.
182cm tall and 100kg about 13% bf

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

 

[Gainz.]

What is your goal? Bulk or cutting?

And just curious but why npp over deca? Just wondering what your personal reasons are for the switch?
I heard people get less water weight with npp, and you can run it longer.
I'm researching my next bulk cycle so very curious to see where this goes

 

[Rhino73]

I’m bulking.
I’m only third Cycle in so am really just going off research and advice from guys here.
My understanding is that Deca and NPP are very similar. Both good for bulking and good for joints. NPP is faster acting so maybe quicker to show any bad sides and easier to adjust.
Really just trying it to compare with the deca on my last cycle.

 

[suppsforlife]

182cm tall and 100kg about 13% bf

awesome stats man!

Proposed Third cycle 500/300/300 Test E/ NPP/ EQ per week split in two doses for 12 weeks

it does sounds good. If you don't mind pinning NPP EOD. I would have proposed to up EQ dosage, but I don't since you mentioned acne issues. EQ is popular for causing acne. I would recommend you to get some anti-acne soaps/lotions etc.
Overall sounds good, but I guess you know EQ takes a long time to kick in. AT LEAST 6 weeks or even longer.

My understanding is that Deca and NPP are very similar. Both good for bulking and good for joints. NPP is faster acting so maybe quicker to show any bad sides and easier to adjust.

yes, they both offer same substance Nandrolone. But Deca is very long while NPP is short. That's why Deca is used in longer cycles but only 1-2 times a week. NPP kicks in much faster (and gets out faster too) but you need to use it EOD.

 

[Rhino73]

awesome stats man!

it does sounds good. If you don't mind pinning NPP EOD. I would have proposed to up EQ dosage, but I don't since you mentioned acne issues. EQ is popular for causing acne. I would recommend you to get some anti-acne soaps/lotions etc.
Overall sounds good, but I guess you know EQ takes a long time to kick in. AT LEAST 6 weeks or even longer.

yes, they both offer same substance Nandrolone. But Deca is very long while NPP is short. That's why Deca is used in longer cycles but only 1-2 times a week. NPP kicks in much faster (and gets out faster too) but you need to use it EOD.

Thanks Supps

 

[Gainz.]

6ft, 220lb at 13% bf... that's crazy... just shows how different we all are.
Because 6ft 210lb 10% is my end goal! I want to get there, then find a way to maintain it

 

[Deleted member 45086]

Being your 3rd cycle if you are not seeing the results you want don't be intimidated to up your npp to 500/week and EQ to 600/week. Only again if you aren't seeing the results you are after.

 

[Rhino73]

Being your 3rd cycle if you are not seeing the results you want don't be intimidated to up your npp to 500/week and EQ to 600/week. Only again if you aren't seeing the results you are after.

Thanks mate.
I think I could probably benefit from higher doses and I’m pretty confident I could handle it.
Being natty all my life has got me on the less is more mindset. Plus I want to keep it safe.
I know the doses you mentioned are by no means unsafe but I’ll probably just work up to that.

 

[EMachine]

As this is your third cycle, It is best to find the lowest dose that gives you the results you're looking for. It is best to start lower and then increase. If your diet and training is on point, you should be able to make excellent gains. I Love NPP but needs to be injected more frequently. What was your last cycle Rhino? What dosed did you use and what gains did you make?

 

[Rhino73]

As this is your third cycle, It is best to find the lowest dose that gives you the results you're looking for. It is best to start lower and then increase. If your diet and training is on point, you should be able to make excellent gains. I Love NPP but needs to be injected more frequently. What was your last cycle Rhino? What dosed did you use and what gains did you make?

Hey mate
Last cycle was 400/300/300 Test E Primo Decca
Results were good, nothing crazy but I think I expect more than I should.
Slight increase in bench, squat and dead. Peaked at 102kgs back down to 100kgs on trt for last 8 weeks. Still training hard 6 days a week.
Thinking of upping doses but trying to keep it low at the same time.

 

[EMachine]

Hey mate
Last cycle was 400/300/300 Test E Primo Decca
Results were good, nothing crazy but I think I expect more than I should.
Slight increase in bench, squat and dead. Peaked at 102kgs back down to 100kgs on trt for last 8 weeks. Still training hard 6 days a week.
Thinking of upping doses but trying to keep it low at the same time.

That’s the way to do it right! I like the fact that you stayed consistent with your workouts. Many, take it easy while cruising and then wonder why they are losing muscle. Your discipline and consistency will payoff big time, once you blast again. Keep us posted Rhino.

 

[Rhino73]

Hey guys
Not sure if anyone will see this as I’m adding to an older post but,
Now on week 5 of 3rd cycle
Went with Test E / Decca / EQ @ 600 / 500 / 500.
Starting to think I may be crashing my oestrogen just because growth and strength is stalling a bit, plus feeling fatigued and mild anxiety.
Bloodwork is the obvious answer but being in a small Australian town to many self ordered tests seem to raise questions.
I think I might up test to 750 and lower EQ to 400. Does anyone see any issues with that?

 

[Deleted member 45086]

I think that's fine. EQ and deca can both cause anxiety. How are you sleeping?

 

[Rhino73]

Not great. Fairly tied through the day

 

[suppsforlife]

I think I might up test to 750 and lower EQ to 400.

what if you have high estrogen? especially because by week 5 these steroids are kicking in. having any estrogenic issues?

 

[Rhino73]

I guess the symptoms for high and low estrogen can be the same. But no sensitive nipples or acne.
I was just working off What I’ve researched about EQ really lowering your estrogen.
Bloodwork is really the only way to know.

 

[Deleted member 45086]

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I guess the symptoms for high and low estrogen can be the same. But no sensitive nipples or acne.
I was just working off What I’ve researched about EQ really lowering your estrogen.
Bloodwork is really the only way to know.

Without the blood work being an option I would go ahead and up the test and if it doesn't help I guess you will have to get blood work done.

 

[Twizted]

When I was on 500-600 EQ I had to really bump up my test because I was crashing my e2. It seems like for some people EQ lowers estrogen alot and for others it only does it a little. Some folks get pretty serious anxiety from EQ.

 

[Rhino73]

When I was on 500-600 EQ I had to really bump up my test because I was crashing my e2. It seems like for some people EQ lowers estrogen alot and for others it only does it a little. Some folks get pretty serious anxiety from EQ.

So on 500 EQ how much test did you run?

 

[Twizted]

So on 500 EQ how much test did you run?

I started at around 600mg of test and ended up having to go to around 900mg to make things feel right. Once I got my test sorted out it was great, no need for an AI and I was feeling good.