Whats your guys blood pressure sit at while on cycle? Reason I ask is that I just started one and my blood pressure has creeped up a lil bit higher. I took it and I was at 155/79. Normally I sit around 125-130/70-75. So was wondering how everyone else sits?
Also took it after going to the gym so that may not have been the best time.....
How far along are you into the cycle, and what's ur stack?
2 weeks into cycle, cycle looks like this:
500mg Test E week
300mg Deca Week
600mg EQ week
30mg Dbol a day
Aromasin for AI at 6.25 twice a week, caber on hand.
I am wondering if the EQ is driving it up. Did some EQ last cycle and BP crept up a lil bit then too, that's part of the reason I was watching it this cycle. Did some test/dbol/eq last cycle. Cycle before did Tbol/test/deca and bp was ok. Like I said I normally sit at 125-130, have most of my life.
Its weird too cuz I have been tired this cycle. Normally I am good to go. I can tell everything is slightly better but not where it has been on previous cycles. Been feeling a lil sluggish. Wondering if the Dbol/Deca combo is giving me some lethargy or something. Hell at first I was wondering if I got some bad test lol.
thoughts or opinons?
mine is now between 135-145 normally with 145-155 first few hours after gym. I take 750ml test e and 300ml deca EW.
I think you will have raised BP on the amount your on (I could be wrong). have you give blood recently? I believe it can help.
It looks like your dosages are fine, tho typically EQ is ran a little higher. My bp is naturally good and tops out at 130/70 ish while on.
Im wondering if you've looked into prolactin sides, and the symptoms associated there with. Are you using a da? What are your particular symptoms with E2 elevation?
I know for myself, sides change from cycle to cycle as my metabolism and sensitivity to hormones change. So, even though you have done this cycle previously, sensitivity to the compounds may have changed. As far as BP issues, maybe pop 5-10mg of cialis to see if that helps.
Sorry this post is a bit wonky, still waking up...
Great cycle right there. Eq definitely raises BP so keep your eye on it. I will say this T, I really cant run Orals too long at all anymore. So I had the bright idea of using Dbol on this cycle in 2 week blasts. I started this prop cycle and 2 weeks in when the test was hitting I did dbol at 50mgs for 2 weeks. Incredible strength and growth but extremely lethargic after the gym. so after week 8 (usually start to fade on cycle) I did my 2nd Dbol blast. same shit. Extremely tired...
I was 143/70 when i donated on thursday. But i also had just worked out. EQ raises my BP and my iron levels go really high. I give blood every time im available. I found in my case my pressure is usually 120 to 130. This is the first at 143. But like i was saying EQ is the cause. The high iron causes my blood to thicken. So i have to keep a close EYE on it. Im asking my doc for a prescription sp i could donate more often. Thats ehy i made a post a little bit ago about donating. That once or twice a year is not nearly enough.
Ok so for a couple updates. I got some blood pressure medicine and was taking it for a couple days and my BP is sitting around 145-150. So considering I am still sitting that high with medicine I have dropped the EQ and will no longer take it. I gave all my EQ to my brother. Unfortunately everyone reacts differently and evidently EQ spikes my BP so no more EQ for me. Will keep an eye on my BP and see how I am doing in a few weeks when it starts wearing down.
Second of all I figured out what was going on with the being tired and lethargic. My estrogen was high. I know its cuz I am running Dbol and deca together at the same time for the first time and since they are both wet compounds it crept up on me without me realizing it. It was just weird cuz my high e2 symptoms weren't what they normally were. So I took 1/2 a tab of aromasin which was 12.5mg and within 4 hours I went to the gym and smashed it. My strength was back up, I had energy through my whole workout, and instead of feeling wore out 15 mins in I was still hammering down after an hour and 15 mins. Sometimes you just have to stop and think about what has changed and what side effects your feeling. Cuz I had just taken 6.25mg of aroma on Wednesday. I was just honestly surprised that since I am normally not e2 sensitive that the dbol deca combo got me like it did, and with a different variation of symptoms. This is why we stress don't take more than one extra compound at a time!
Will let everyone know how things are going in a few days 
Deca carries a very low aromatizing nature. It is more likely that the combination of dbol, EQ, deca and testosterone is the cause of your suspected high estradiol vs. just suspecting it is the dbol/deca. EQ aromatizes at a bit higher degree than deca.
Not really sure if I would ever take 4 compounds at the same time that aromatize. Seems like a perfect storm and certainly a receptor overload disaster in most cases.
The BP issue can in part be attributed to hypertension & dbol and the EQ may have just exacerbated it although I doubt it.
What was your diastolic pressure? That is the number that would be more useful and concerning.
I assume you are being treated for hypertension. If so steroid use is probably the last thing I would want to do at your age and certainly not the use of dbol. Just the water retention effects alone of dbol combined with hypertension will escalate blood pressure levels and can lead to lethargy, stroke and even death.
Good luck and enjoy the ride.
Thanks for the input MT. That is actually a very good point you bring up about all 4 of them aromatizing and that's what probably caused the higher e2. It makes more sense than it just being the dbol and deca being run together for the first time. Was still surprised at how the symptoms were different than what I normally have for high e2. This time I was tired and lethargic, felt mentally wore down, had no drive, and noticed my nipples were starting to look puffy. Normally I get some bacne, and my skin gets oily and acne will flare up, and my hands swell.
Now as far as being treated for hypertension no I am not. I have had a bp of rought 125/75 my whole life, even when I was 11 years old. I went to a doctor here when I was around 30 cuz it hit 130/74 and after going through everything the doc said since I have had bp like that my whole life then that for me is the norm. Said if I dropped it down to below 120 where everyone else sits that I would suffer from low BP symptoms and so therefore not to worry about running between 125-130 since I have my whole life.
My BP was 149 over 78 yesterday. Have not taken it today. But when I am on cycle it never goes above 80 for the diastolic. Its been the systolic that crept up here lately while on EQ, and that's what worried me.
No problem MT. I was actually happy to see the rest of your post as it looks like from everything you replied that you know your stuff. Therefore I am looking forward to an introduction and seeing more from you on the boards. The more knowledge we have the better advice we are able to give. And I think yours was spot on in a couple points you made
Hey Titanings,
I had another thought for your consideration - Could it possibly be that your body fat percentage is causing increased conversion to estrogen? I am throwing it out there because rarely do we blame a higher percentage of body fat on elevated estrogen levels. Yet it happens more often than not and a definite risk increase on cycle.
I have seen men with 15-20% BF have a difficult time on cycle with estrogen. Then when they have a healthier BF% they run the same cycle without any issues.
I am not E2 sensitive either but I do occasionally experience unexplained E2 sides on cycle. I can run a test/dbol/deca cycle without issue than all of a sudden I run the same exact cycle and bam estrogen shows it shining face.
Sub thanks for your input and glad to see you sticking around here on the forums as your knowledge is always appreciated.
So for an update as to whats going on:
I think there is a combination of things that have happened on this cycle. First I think subzero and Marktwain both hit the nail on the head. I had increased my caloric intake trying to bulk up a lil bit before starting my cycle and ended up adding a lil extra BF. So combine that with the fact that dbol/test/deca/EQ all will aromatize and then the added BF% increased the aromatization which ended up shooting my estrogen levels way up. Unfortunately it took me a few to catch on to exactly what was happening cuz it doesn't just happen over night, and the symptoms were different than what they normally were for me.
So now the result is this- I have stopped taking the EQ almost 2 weeks ago and will just save it for another cycle as honestly their is just too many compounds that aromatize in that group and Test is mandatory, and deca helps this old war horse with all the injuries so EQ takes a sideline for now. Second my BP has spike up which is not suprising due to excess estrogen and the water retention from Dbol. So considering my BP was 150 over 76 here on Wednesday then I have stopped taking the Dbol. I plan on taking my BP here Friday evening to Saturday morning which will be almost 72 hours after my last Dbol pill and will see how my BP is doing then. If my BP has dropped down then I will more than likely just give it away and use something like Tbol for the kick start on future cycles. In the end its not worth my health and their is always more options out there, so why chance it.
So for now its just 500mg of test and 300mg per week of deca. I have also dropped my caloric intake down from 3700 to 3200 per day as that's my TDEE, and adding in more cardio and volume training in an effort to get the BF % down. I have always been the skinny guy until I was close to 40, so while the extra padding was a nice mental cushion its time to dial it in more for safety reasons
Thanks for everyones input!
What was your starting BF% and what is it now? What is you fat free mass index score? Guessing is not recommended. Calipers are cheap and some nutritional stores and health clubs have some form of body analysis device. If your actual body fat percentage is not important to you than please disregard my questions. They were only asked so I could help if possible.
A HUGE surplus of calories is required to generate any significant increase in BF especially if you continued your training between cycles. 3000-4000 calories equal a pound of body fat! How long were you off between cycles?
If the goal is to have an athletic physique and the individual is not training for pure strength bulking is not my recommendation if BF percentage exceeds 15-18%. There are so many reason for this. To provide more psychological and physical benefits to a cycle the better choice is to abstain from steroid use until they achieve a healthier BF%. If the individual is committed to continued use a pure cutting cycle combined with a healthy calorie deficit diet is an excellent option. The protocol for this must be carefully considered because the purpose is ti cut BF while preserving as much lean muscle mass a possible. It is a high probability that some lean muscle mass will have to be sacrificed to achieve the purpose of the cycle. This can be achieved with a moderate dose of testosterone, fasted cardio, intermittent fasting, compound exercises and a diet consisting of only whole foods. I want to stress the importance of compound exercise for this cycle with limited use of isolation exercise. Body fat is easy to drop as long as you adopt the mindset that it is your primary goal. Trying to build muscle and cut fat without in-depth experience will have a very high probability of failure.
The goal is to achieve maximum aesthetic benefits from steroid use for those who want an athletic physique and the above is a good starting point for anyone who has a higher BF% and in my experience provides a much higher probability of success.
Trust me when I say the extra time and work will pay you back in spades on future steroid cycles. I have seen it and I have have made money helping people do it. The psychological effects alone will help anyone be better at what they are trying to accomplish. The mirror does not lie and a picture is worth a thousand words.
Edit- For the purpose of strictly preserving lean muscle mass in a calorie deficit there are no steroids in my experience that can do this better than primobolan. Tren is a very close second due to its ability in the conversion and uptake of nutrients.
Ok so for an interesting update. I went to the gym today and did my workout and when I was done I went to hyvee and took my blood pressure on a different machine that looks brand new that isn't by my house. It was 128/69 with a pulse rate of 87, I took it 2 times one was 128 one was 127. So a couple hours later I checked it there again, 129/73 and then 128/72. So after I took it at they hyvee I drove 15 mins home and stopped by a pharmacy by my house where I normally take my BP and used the machine I have been using lately. And it said 146/79..... WTF!!! Soooo I think the BP machine by my house is working incorrectly.... So tomorrow I plan on going to the sams club and trying my BP over their on their machine for a 3rd machine opinion.
Now sub as far as my previous and current BF% I don't know what it is. I am guessing in the 17-20% range. I have always been the guy who looked like Fredd Phelps the Olympic swimmer with the long and lean build, and carried a 6 pack all the way into my mid 30's. So a while back when I started using gear I wasn't concerned about BF% and having that lean athletic build, as I have always looked like that. I wanted to put on some size and bulk up. So all of my cycles have been a bulking cycle. I took 4 months off between my last cycle and had raised my calorie intake up trying to continue adding size. I did very lil cardio, and therefore became a lil pudgy around the middle. I also have a family (and a wife who loves to eat out) and with work sometimes diet can be hard to keep on track, but I still try to make it the best I can. Now that I am back on cycle and I thought my BP was high I got concerned and have dropped the Dbol and EQ and am just running Test and Deca. I also decided that since higher BF% does convert more to estrogen that I should work on getting back that lean and lanky build I have had for years and have started more cardio and higher volume training. I actually think I will plan on running a cutting cycle for my next cycle and look forward to your input on this, as its obvious by your pic that you know about that. So in the end I wasn't concerned about BF% and just wanted to bulk up, but now I have changed my plan of attack and think I will work on being a better asthetic version of myself Especially after a lil health scare.