Expected Results or underwhelming?

[Gainz.]

Hell bro I wish I had half your hunger drive.
It took me 3 years to put on 60lbs.
Granted mine was lean hard mass... But 50lbs in 12w is super fucking impressive!
I've been sitting around 192-194 for a while now and I'm planning a bulk from December to March trying to get to 200-205lb. And I'll be taking 2 different compounds that help with hunger. between my metabolism and lack of interest in food, every pound is a struggle for me.

 

[RileyT]

Hell bro I wish I had half your hunger drive.
It took me 3 years to put on 60lbs.
Granted mine was lean hard mass... But 50lbs in 12w is super fucking impressive!
I've been sitting around 192-194 for a while now and I'm planning a bulk from December to March trying to get to 200-205lb. And I'll be taking 2 different compounds that help with hunger. between my metabolism and lack of interest in food, every pound is a struggle for me.

Ive always been a fatass and I love to eat. My whole "fitness journey" started when I was 300lbs of straight lard. Looked like a damn washed up beach whale. And you look cut the fuck up man i'm impressed. Ive never been remotely that close to that lean. I wish I had those veins, too; I have like a total of three veins on my entire body.

 

[Gainz.]

Ive always been a fatass and I love to eat. My whole "fitness journey" started when I was 300lbs of straight lard. Looked like a damn washed up beach whale. And you look cut the fuck up man i'm impressed. Ive never been remotely that close to that lean. I wish I had those veins, too; I have like a total of three veins on my entire body.

Thanks brother... I think everyone wants what they can't have. I'm pretty cut but would love to look big with clothes on. But I think I'm too vain not to have abs .
And as far as veins go... Yeah... I think I have a little bit... Only if you look really close
.

 

[RileyT]

Thanks brother... I think everyone wants what they can't have. I'm pretty cut but would love to look big with clothes on. But I think I'm too vain not to have abs .
And as far as veins go... Yeah... I think I have a little bit... Only if you look really close
.

You need to make sure to stay away from paper that shit looks awesome

 

[suppsforlife]

So do you think my gear is real for 1300ng/dl?

you are highly unlikely to have 1300 ng/dL naturally. so your gear does increase testosterone. but it doesn't mean that it is high quality. It depends on the dosage you used to achieve this level. you did mention 500 mg/week which seems kinda too low T levels for such a high dosage. may still try other brands to see if it works better.

But I would drop down to 4,000 and higher protein. Make sure you're only putting on quality muscle

Alrighty thank yall for the peace of mind . I have a bad tendency of psyching myself out then over-fixating on it. I basically convinced myself that my gear was bunk and I just wasted 12 weeks and was just injecting vegetable oil. I also know I eat too damn much and should cut it down when bulking. I just wanted to make sure my body had all the calories it needed on standby.

it surely wasn't bunk with 1300 ng/dL, but as said, it doesn't mean it was of the best quality. To ensure it was, you have to use other brand at the same dosage and compare T levels. But it surely wasn't vegetable oil.
also, you can easily determine how many calories you need with an online calorie calculator. then, ensure you have a nice balance of macronutrients (1g of protein per pound of body weight, 20% of all calories healthy fats and the rest carbs). that's just a very summarized information. also, working particuarly for hypertrophy (there are lots of training styles).

 

[Gainz.]

you are highly unlikely to have 1300 ng/dL naturally. so your gear does increase testosterone. but it doesn't mean that it is high quality. It depends on the dosage you used to achieve this level. you did mention 500 mg/week which seems kinda too low T levels for such a high dosage.

I thought the same thing.. seems a little low for 500mg. And my question is he's also running his deca at the same dosage... Would that affect his overall test levels?

Like would your test levels be higher on 500 test and 300 deca... Than 500 test and 500 deca?
And also it's it easy for guys with less body fat to have higher test levels on the same dose?
I swear I read that somewhere.... But at this point I'm not even sure what reality is anymore

 

[RileyT]

you are highly unlikely to have 1300 ng/dL naturally. so your gear does increase testosterone. but it doesn't mean that it is high quality. It depends on the dosage you used to achieve this level. you did mention 500 mg/week which seems kinda too low T levels for such a high dosage. may still try other brands to see if it works better.



it surely wasn't bunk with 1300 ng/dL, but as said, it doesn't mean it was of the best quality. To ensure it was, you have to use other brand at the same dosage and compare T levels. But it surely wasn't vegetable oil.
also, you can easily determine how many calories you need with an online calorie calculator. then, ensure you have a nice balance of macronutrients (1g of protein per pound of body weight, 20% of all calories healthy fats and the rest carbs). that's just a very summarized information. also, working particuarly for hypertrophy (there are lots of training styles).

I'm definitely gonna go with another source when I order some more. I contacted where I ordered, trying to get some proof of the legitimacy of the gear, and they are just ignoring me. I'm gonna get blood done soon, so I'll see how effective it is.

 

[Gainz.]

I'm definitely gonna go with another source when I order some more. I contacted where I ordered, trying to get some proof of the legitimacy of the gear, and they are just ignoring me. I'm gonna get blood done soon, so I'll see how effective it is.

Yeah finding good quality gear here is EXTREMELY easy!
USA warehouses have the fastest shipping times. 3-5 days. U.K warehouses are usually between 7-15 days but 30% cheaper than USA. And then the Chinese warehouses are even cheaper... But honestly so isn't the quality. Not that it's bad.. it's just not as good. Usually 50-70% of the USA prices and shipping is 12-21 days.
I almost exclusively go through the u.k.
Yes customs is always a risk... But I'm a baller on a budget so I go for those deals

 

[suppsforlife]

Would that affect his overall test levels?

since testosterone comes exogenously, it shouldn't.

Like would your test levels be higher on 500 test and 300 deca... Than 500 test and 500 deca?

theoretically no. unless 500 mg/week of test doesn't completely suppress your natural and you get a bit of natural T levels too, leading to an overall higher level. but i seriously doubt.

And also it's it easy for guys with less body fat to have higher test levels on the same dose?

that's actually right. and it is not about body fat only, but body fat + muscle mass. I mean, the bigger you are, the less testosterone will circulate in your system from using the same dosage. A guy weighing 100 lbs and a guy weighing 300 lbs, both using 500 mg/week (same product). no way they both have the same amount of testosterone. (when testing for testosterone levels, they test the amount of testosterone in ng per dL (nanograms per deciliter of blood). the guy weighing 300 lb would have considerably more blood than 100 lbs guy, therefore, less concentration.

 

[Gainz.]

weighing 300 lb would have considerably more blood than 100 lbs guy, therefore, less concentration.

How come I feel like the 100lb guy in this comparison?

 

[Gainz.]

since testosterone comes exogenously, it shouldn't.

theoretically no. unless 500 mg/week of test doesn't completely suppress your natural and you get a bit of natural T levels too, leading to an overall higher level. but i seriously doubt.

that's actually right. and it is not about body fat only, but body fat + muscle mass. I mean, the bigger you are, the less testosterone will circulate in your system from using the same dosage. A guy weighing 100 lbs and a guy weighing 300 lbs, both using 500 mg/week (same product). no way they both have the same amount of testosterone. (when testing for testosterone levels, they test the amount of testosterone in ng per dL (nanograms per deciliter of blood). the guy weighing 300 lb would have considerably more blood than 100 lbs guy, therefore, less concentration.

Oh yeah and...

 

[suppsforlife]

How come I feel like the 100lb guy in this comparison?

194 lb of raw muscle is better than 300 lb of raw fat

 

[Gainz.]

Oh God yes... It's just my body dismorphia acting up.

I know I'm a sexy bitch

 

[suppsforlife]

Oh God yes... It's just my body dismorphia acting up.

I know I'm a sexy bitch

 

[zakco]

Putting 50lbs on in 12 weeks... Probably 15lbs of muscle, 25lbs of fat and 10lbs of water weight. Especially having your test and Deca so close and adding dbol on top.

Gainz is right. To even build 10# of muscle in 12 weeks is insane. Is even argue Gainz is off. I'd say lucky to get 10# muscle probably 10# fat and 30# water. Water is over 8# per gallon so distributed over a 270# giant yeah it adds up. Your arms are fucking gigantic BTW. You should be proud.

 

[suppsforlife]

pretty sure he is