Agreed...not a fan of any liquid form chemicals.
It took me about a week to crash estro, but I was using adex. It really is awful. As a first-timer I misread some symptoms and upped adex. I have not ever experienced such bad joint pain in my life. Anything that uses elbows.. it would take about 3-4 hours after workout for the pain to subside, or an hour or two if I took 1000mg ibuprofen before workout. The joints went bone dry. Definitely not a great feeling. Sleep was all screwed up as well.
good to see you around man