Never stopping - always pinning

Parameddog

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Question - does anyone do a permanent cycle?

I mean, doing 16-20 weeks and 10 off, feels like a cheat for ten weeks (paradox I know).
 

Gainz.

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I'm always pinning, (blast, cruise-trt) but I plan on doing 12 week blast, 14 week cruises... rinse recycle repeat!

Plus you should really cruise for 2 weeks longer than you blast.
So if you blast for 10, cruise for 12.
But not everyone does that. Lots only do a 1:1 ratio.

But I'll be pining twice a week until I die.
(Hopefully in my early 60s 🤣😂🤣😂)
 

bobby ricky

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Question - does anyone do a permanent cycle?

I mean, doing 16-20 weeks and 10 off, feels like a cheat for ten weeks (paradox I know).
My cruise is not trt at all. My cruise is going to be 300 test 150-300 deca 😂😂. That’s my coming off 👍. I will hold my gains and feel good. Don’t care what people think about that at all because I’m about quality not quantity. It’s my life and I will always do what makes me happy and that makes me happy. Am I doing damage that blood work can’t see, maybe so but I’m happy. There’s so many people that aren’t happy in this world no matter what. Happiness is the most important thing in this life. Maybe I’m not doing any extra damage at all what if I’m actually prolonging my life. We won’t know until we know 👍
 

HGH.to

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I'm always pinning, (blast, cruise-trt) but I plan on doing 12 week blast, 14 week cruises... rinse recycle repeat!

Plus you should really cruise for 2 weeks longer than you blast.
So if you blast for 10, cruise for 12.
But not everyone does that. Lots only do a 1:1 ratio.

But I'll be pining twice a week until I die.
(Hopefully in my early 60s 🤣😂🤣😂)
exactly.
although 1:1 ratio is fairly good. Many people won't do even that. I know people blasting for 14-16 weeks and cruising for as little as 8 weeks before another blast again. 2 weeks longer than you blast, needless to say, is even safer.
My cruise is not trt at all.
yes, they are somewhat different, but still very similar. TRT is prescription by doctor and usually keeps it in the range. cruise is usually self-prescription and usually try to keep it in the maximum range. Other compounds are rarely added indeed, such a Deca and/or Proviron.
Happiness is the most important thing in this life.
agree with that, actually.
Am I doing damage that blood work can’t see
had blood work at 300 mg/week Test + Deca and everything's in range?
 

bobby ricky

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exactly.
although 1:1 ratio is fairly good. Many people won't do even that. I know people blasting for 14-16 weeks and cruising for as little as 8 weeks before another blast again. 2 weeks longer than you blast, needless to say, is even safer.

yes, they are somewhat different, but still very similar. TRT is prescription by doctor and usually keeps it in the range. cruise is usually self-prescription and usually try to keep it in the maximum range. Other compounds are rarely added indeed, such a Deca and/or Proviron.

agree with that, actually.

had blood work at 300 mg/week Test + Deca and everything's in range?
After I’m done with my tren test I’ll pull blood and post. You think 8 weeks after? It’s tren e .
I was going to stay on my cruise for 8 weeks. Would tren e clear by 8 weeks?
 

Parameddog

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My cruise is not trt at all. My cruise is going to be 300 test 150-300 deca 😂😂. That’s my coming off 👍. I will hold my gains and feel good. Don’t care what people think about that at all because I’m about quality not quantity. It’s my life and I will always do what makes me happy and that makes me happy. Am I doing damage that blood work can’t see, maybe so but I’m happy. There’s so many people that aren’t happy in this world no matter what. Happiness is the most important thing in this life. Maybe I’m not doing any extra damage at all what if I’m actually prolonging my life. We won’t know until we know 👍
I'm with you on that mate. I have spent decades grumbling and finding out who I am. I like your thinking.

Only the good die young
 

LHV

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I‘m not a scientist, let alone a doctor, but I’ve hung around a lot of juicers over nearly four decades of lifting - many of whom are in their 70s today. After talking to a lot of these guys, I’ve developed a theory, quite possibly unsupported by science, that the trouble comes from staying consistently over about 500mg of Test (and equivalents). Heavy users, even over the long-term, appear to end up alright, provided they’re getting back under 500 a lot of the time (and provided they keep an eye on their blood pressure). Another observation is everyone slows down as they get older, without exception. So even the most staunch “die young, stay pretty” types, who claim they’ll be doing 1000mg of Test every week until they croak, aren’t doing anywhere near that when you talk to them 10 years later. Everyone gets tired, their enthusiasm wanes. It’s just a fact of life.
 

Gainz.

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I‘m not a scientist, let alone a doctor, but I’ve hung around a lot of juicers over nearly four decades of lifting - many of whom are in their 70s today. After talking to a lot of these guys, I’ve developed a theory, quite possibly unsupported by science, that the trouble comes from staying consistently over about 500mg of Test (and equivalents). Heavy users, even over the long-term, appear to end up alright, provided they’re getting back under 500 a lot of the time (and provided they keep an eye on their blood pressure). Another observation is everyone slows down as they get older, without exception. So even the most staunch “die young, stay pretty” types, who claim they’ll be doing 1000mg of Test every week until they croak, aren’t doing anywhere near that when you talk to them 10 years later. Everyone gets tired, their enthusiasm wanes. It’s just a fact of life.


I couldn't agree with you more!
Again the difference between using and abusing.

Look at Ronnie the king Coleman... hes 58 years old. He absolutely abused his body... and probably gear as well. He says he didn't... but I'll just say his body alone. Squatting 800lbs for reps.
Then look at Mike o'hearn... hes 54 years old. he's absolutely fucking killing it! Still guess posing and on the front of magazines.

They both love the life style and lift heavy ass weights 😊
But 1 took it too far and abused his body.

Now the other thing I wanted to touch on is that you have 40 years of experience with gear.
You're the type of person who I would actually listen too.
But that's the fucking problem... the people who actually have experience are drowned out by every other idiot who read the headline of a article and now think they are a expert.

"I read rich Piana died at 46 because of steroids, therefore I know anyone else who does steroids will die before 50"

They have no idea what he was on, or how much. They don't realize he was on hgh and insulin... but somehow they are the world's leading expert.
I'm just fucking sick of it.

Also... when did this total swing happen?
It use to be everyone was natural... no one is on steroids. The rock is natural, liver king... of course hes natural... no way tom Hardy did gear... he put 37lbs on for his Bane roll in 3 months naturally... he just ate a lot of cod.

Now... fucking anyone who is in any kind of shape... anyone with abs...they are on steroids!

When did this total pendulum swing happen?
 

Parameddog

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It is a phenomenon - more and more people want to look like the bodies on Love Island and do not realise they could look like the bodies on the Ukranian battlefield.

~I get that continuous abuse is not the best thing to do, however, I have never smoked, never abused alcohol, always been relatively fit yada yada yaaaa....

I'm surprised at kids tho - they will do irreperable damage due to the chase of vanity at a young age
 

Gainz.

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It is a phenomenon - more and more people want to look like the bodies on Love Island and do not realise they could look like the bodies on the Ukranian battlefield.

~I get that continuous abuse is not the best thing to do, however, I have never smoked, never abused alcohol, always been relatively fit yada yada yaaaa....

I'm surprised at kids tho - they will do irreperable damage due to the chase of vanity at a young age

I did a lot worse than gear at young age 😂🤣.

The thing that surprises me is how little research they do first! Because some guy on the internet says you'll get huge if you run 600mg of tren for 20 weeks... they'll spend hours finding where to order it online. But won't spend 5 minutes to see if they should actually run it or not.

It just shows how social media and our public schools are failing us!
 

Imgame

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Well I can’t go on more than trt until I get my haemoglobin sorted. Went to donate yesterday and was too high. I was told it’s 212 when cut off is 185. In January when I had bloods to see what’s happening it was 164 , it’s never been under 172. Now I have been trying to get this sorted and have asked 3 different doctors to tick a box so when I go to donate and it’s to high they can take the blood and dump it or use for other things. No doctor wants to help so now I have to try book an appointment and get a blood dump done. You would think when life blood is screaming for donations they would have something set up to help you as they all know how useless doctors are. If I could donate every 2 months instead of 3 I would be better off but I need the specialist I’m seeing in June to tick the box now.
 

Parameddog

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Yeah - I'll support you there - high hemoglobin is fab if you live at the top of a mountain range, but for us valley dwellers, not so good - you could try adding a shit load of cardio - that can help but other than that you do need to exclude the ominous factors of heart/kidney/liver failure first
 

Imgame

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Yeah - I'll support you there - high hemoglobin is fab if you live at the top of a mountain range, but for us valley dwellers, not so good - you could try adding a shit load of cardio - that can help but other than that you do need to exclude the ominous factors of heart/kidney/liver failure first
Been doing Muay Thai 3 to 5 times a week for 6 months. 5 to 10 hours of extreme cardio a week but I had 2 weeks off.
Seems cutting trt from 200mg to 125mg a week had no benefits ether. I was pissing all day and night from all the water I drank.
The bone marrow cancer seems to be looking like the problem
 

Parameddog

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Hm, that's shit. I do not know anywhere near enough to even have a guess. I send people off for 2 week waits and identify simple skin cancers - that's my level of experience. Hope you get it figured sooner than later dude.
 

Gainz.

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Been doing Muay Thai 3 to 5 times a week for 6 months. 5 to 10 hours of extreme cardio a week but I had 2 weeks off.
Seems cutting trt from 200mg to 125mg a week had no benefits ether. I was pissing all day and night from all the water I drank.
The bone marrow cancer seems to be looking like the problem

Well fuck... but if I know you like I think I do... you'll figure it out and kick its ass.
We all know you're a fighter.
 

bobby ricky

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Been doing Muay Thai 3 to 5 times a week for 6 months. 5 to 10 hours of extreme cardio a week but I had 2 weeks off.
Seems cutting trt from 200mg to 125mg a week had no benefits ether. I was pissing all day and night from all the water I drank.
The bone marrow cancer seems to be looking like the problem
Cancer?
 
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