Planning next cycle 🤭🥴

[Alexdb2022]

My 300/week test cycle is almost done. Looking to prepare for my next cycle to do plenty of research as well as get my gear on deck, as it can be held up in the mail sometimes -_-. I wanna turn it up a bit and add some size! Tren is not an option for me. What would be a good sub to stack with test? Also, test e vs test c vs test p opinions? I know you pin P ED or EOD but what are the advantages and your guys opinions? My sides have been non existent so def think I can up to 500 test this next one I’m hoping! Thanks for the info you guys have been the best help.

 

[seymour]

My 300/week test cycle is almost done. Looking to prepare for my next cycle to do plenty of research as well as get my gear on deck, as it can be held up in the mail sometimes -_-. I wanna turn it up a bit and add some size! Tren is not an option for me. What would be a good sub to stack with test? Also, test e vs test c vs test p opinions? I know you pin P ED or EOD but what are the advantages and your guys opinions? My sides have been non existent so def think I can up to 500 test this next one I’m hoping! Thanks for the info you guys have been the best help.

Yo man - how many weeks was this cycle you're about to complete?

It is wise to stay off cycle for the same amount of weeks you spent ON cycle prior to beginning another one. However, if your bloodwork IS GOOD AND you feel good you can start a little sooner. For example, you did a 12 week cycle and after 10 weeks you're good then go. BUT, it will always be safest and best for health to wait the length of the cycle. Also, easier on the wallet because you consume less gear.

Also, are you getting bloodwork done post cycle? This is wise after you completed your PCT or if you cruise then spent about 4-6 weeks on your cruise. Bloodwork really is a must for you to be SAFE and SUCCESSFUL. A lot of guys ignore it and have health consequences down the road.

As for Cyp, E, or Prop. I ONLY use Prop if I am using it with another compound that requires you to pin ED. Aside from that I always use Cyp. That is and pin the Cyp x2 per week. That's just me and my preference.

Deca is an option for you. It's one of the safer compounds. That makes it great for newer guys. It's also great for the joints and I know it helps me with that. You will see the @bobby ricky man also agrees. He is a big time lover of Deca like myself. With Deca though you can get some bloat which is common. Also, since it's a 19nor like Tren YOU WILL WANT TO have Caber on hand in case of Prolactin issues. It's great for bulking, great for joints, safer than a lot, just make sure you have Caber. Lots of guys will use Deca at a 3:2 or 2:1 ratio with test...so 500mg test 250mg Deca or 500mg test and 330 roughly Deca. This is ALL personal preference and what you experience with your own body. Those are just good guidelines and suggestions to start with.

Primo is another great option. Amazing for super lean and quality gains. Got to watch this though because it's one of the more commonly faked roids. It's also expensive. It's super fucking safe, probably the safest other than test. Arnold use to love the shit. Injected it straight into his cock. All jokes aside it's good stuff.

I honestly can't remember if you're gonna PCT or cruise so I apologize. If you're going to PCT I hope you have a good protocol for that and ALREADY have what you need.

GREAT idea and practice to continue when you mentioned wanting to have next cycle planned and already have everything that you need on hand. I never start a cycle without already having created a solid plan for what I expect to do (always leave room for adjustment on the fly) which is why mid cycle bloodwork is great because it is only way to know where you're truly at and you can accurately adjust things when needed. I also always have everything I will need even if I ONLY MIGHT need it, great idea man.

 

[Alexdb2022]

I am planning to do an 8 week off cycle. But like I said I want to have my next cycle and pcts ahead of time! I have looked into cruising and it’s something I’ve wanted to do but I just don’t seem to know enough about it and am not sure of the safeness without having more knowledge. What would the weekly amount be for a cruise after a 8 week 300/week test e cycle? I of course will be getting my blood work done and have my PCTs on hand already! Deca is what I was leaning towards but I am afraid of all I hear about “deca dick”. My lady been on me a few times daily with the new gains I swear. Gotta keep up on that end. Primo is one I haven’t looked into much. Maybe I’ll check that out! I don’t want bloating tbh trying to have a summer bod for the beach! How long should I wait after my last pin to do blood work? A cruise obviously is very appealing cause who wants to stop completely

 

[seymour]

I am planning to do an 8 week off cycle. But like I said I want to have my next cycle and pcts ahead of time! I have looked into cruising and it’s something I’ve wanted to do but I just don’t seem to know enough about it and am not sure of the safeness without having more knowledge. What would the weekly amount be for a cruise after a 8 week 300/week test e cycle? I of course will be getting my blood work done and have my PCTs on hand already! Deca is what I was leaning towards but I am afraid of all I hear about “deca dick”. My lady been on me a few times daily with the new gains I swear. Gotta keep up on that end. Primo is one I haven’t looked into much. Maybe I’ll check that out! I don’t want bloating tbh trying to have a summer bod for the beach! How long should I wait after my last pin to do blood work? A cruise obviously is very appealing cause who wants to stop completely

As for Deca dick. I can pretty confidently say that you won't have an issue as long as you follow some of the advice here and then adjust if you want to.

First off I would start with the 2:1 ratio and run 500mg Cyp and 250mg Deca per week pinning each twice a week together.

Doing that and keeping your test higher than Deca is said to help eliminate Deca Dick in a lot of guys. Do some reading on it. For me personally I can tell you that it works great for me. Years ago when I first ran deca I was a dumb fuck and didn't do that. I ran Deca at same dosage of Test and about 5 weeks in my cock got hit with Deca weeny bad.

Keeping your estrogen in check will also help eliminate the possibility of Deca dick. If this will only be your 2nd cycle then I would say a fair statement is that you're probably not fully aware of how to listen to your body because it takes time and everyone is different. When you get more cycles under your belt you can start to feel things and have a damn good idea what you need to adjust on the fly. But, getting your mid cycle bloodwork or bloodwork whenever needed on cycle is the ONLY way to confirm those suspicion.

Everyone is different with estrogen. Some guys feel great at higher levels on a normal basis. For me I have found that I feel the best in the 15-20 range. Whenever I have bloodwork that is what I like to see. You are maybe the same and maybe different. You just don't know until you observe and pay close attention throughout your cycles overtime....and again...BLOODWORK, very fucking important for everything, health, being able to accurately identify what works for you, and keeping you where you need to be so that you can maximize results.

As for cruising...the dosage for everyone is again different. Just like basically everything with gear, everyone is different and things impact them individually. The whole basis of cruising is basically TRT or testosterone replacement therapy. This is traditionally only for guys who are low T and have effects of that impacting their life. There are a ton of guys who cruise/trt and don't necessarily need it though because when on T always it allows you to keep more of your gains. Most guys on TRT take between 100mg and 200mg per week.

I don't know how old you, but, if you're young I wouldn't recommend starting TRT/cruising unless you need it. Once you start it basically becomes a commitment and required the rest of your life. So in that regard I would wait until you're older and for time being just PCT. But, if you're low T then look at TRT. The decision is all you. Continuing PCT after cycles now in no way means you couldn't decide to TRT/cruise in 2 or 5 or 10 years. At those points you might need it anyways.

 

[Alexdb2022]

Thanks for t

As for Deca dick. I can pretty confidently say that you won't have an issue as long as you follow some of the advice here and then adjust if you want to.

First off I would start with the 2:1 ratio and run 500mg Cyp and 250mg Deca per week pinning each twice a week together.

Doing that and keeping your test higher than Deca is said to help eliminate Deca Dick in a lot of guys. Do some reading on it. For me personally I can tell you that it works great for me. Years ago when I first ran deca I was a dumb fuck and didn't do that. I ran Deca at same dosage of Test and about 5 weeks in my cock got hit with Deca weeny bad.

Keeping your estrogen in check will also help eliminate the possibility of Deca dick. If this will only be your 2nd cycle then I would say a fair statement is that you're probably not fully aware of how to listen to your body because it takes time and everyone is different. When you get more cycles under your belt you can start to feel things and have a damn good idea what you need to adjust on the fly. But, getting your mid cycle bloodwork or bloodwork whenever needed on cycle is the ONLY way to confirm those suspicion.

Everyone is different with estrogen. Some guys feel great at higher levels on a normal basis. For me I have found that I feel the best in the 15-20 range. Whenever I have bloodwork that is what I like to see. You are maybe the same and maybe different. You just don't know until you observe and pay close attention throughout your cycles overtime....and again...BLOODWORK, very fucking important for everything, health, being able to accurately identify what works for you, and keeping you where you need to be so that you can maximize results.

As for cruising...the dosage for everyone is again different. Just like basically everything with gear, everyone is different and things impact them individually. The whole basis of cruising is basically TRT or testosterone replacement therapy. This is traditionally only for guys who are low T and have effects of that impacting their life. There are a ton of guys who cruise/trt and don't necessarily need it though because when on T always it allows you to keep more of your gains. Most guys on TRT take between 100mg and 200mg per week.

I don't know how old you, but, if you're young I wouldn't recommend starting TRT/cruising unless you need it. Once you start it basically becomes a commitment and required the rest of your life. So in that regard I would wait until you're older and for time being just PCT. But, if you're low T then look at TRT. The decision is all you. Continuing PCT after cycles now in no way means you couldn't decide to TRT/cruise in 2 or 5 or 10 years. At those points you might need it any

As for Deca dick. I can pretty confidently say that you won't have an issue as long as you follow some of the advice here and then adjust if you want to.

First off I would start with the 2:1 ratio and run 500mg Cyp and 250mg Deca per week pinning each twice a week together.

Doing that and keeping your test higher than Deca is said to help eliminate Deca Dick in a lot of guys. Do some reading on it. For me personally I can tell you that it works great for me. Years ago when I first ran deca I was a dumb fuck and didn't do that. I ran Deca at same dosage of Test and about 5 weeks in my cock got hit with Deca weeny bad.

Keeping your estrogen in check will also help eliminate the possibility of Deca dick. If this will only be your 2nd cycle then I would say a fair statement is that you're probably not fully aware of how to listen to your body because it takes time and everyone is different. When you get more cycles under your belt you can start to feel things and have a damn good idea what you need to adjust on the fly. But, getting your mid cycle bloodwork or bloodwork whenever needed on cycle is the ONLY way to confirm those suspicion.

Everyone is different with estrogen. Some guys feel great at higher levels on a normal basis. For me I have found that I feel the best in the 15-20 range. Whenever I have bloodwork that is what I like to see. You are maybe the same and maybe different. You just don't know until you observe and pay close attention throughout your cycles overtime....and again...BLOODWORK, very fucking important for everything, health, being able to accurately identify what works for you, and keeping you where you need to be so that you can maximize results.

As for cruising...the dosage for everyone is again different. Just like basically everything with gear, everyone is different and things impact them individually. The whole basis of cruising is basically TRT or testosterone replacement therapy. This is traditionally only for guys who are low T and have effects of that impacting their life. There are a ton of guys who cruise/trt and don't necessarily need it though because when on T always it allows you to keep more of your gains. Most guys on TRT take between 100mg and 200mg per week.

I don't know how old you, but, if you're young I wouldn't recommend starting TRT/cruising unless you need it. Once you start it basically becomes a commitment and required the rest of your life. So in that regard I would wait until you're older and for time being just PCT. But, if you're low T then look at TRT. The decision is all you. Continuing PCT after cycles now in no way means you couldn't decide to TRT/cruise in 2 or 5 or 10 years. At those points you might need it anyways.

Thanks for the help and tips, as always, my go to on these forums bro. Your an amazing member to this community! I’m 31 even though I look young. I’ll just PCT as planned, I bought and have them anyways. Last point, deca or primo? Sounds like you lean towards deca. I realize everyone is different! I think I’ll give the primo a try strictly to avoid the bloat! So people who do cruise…do they get trt or do they just continue to do the test? I’m a little confused. I have been doing test e. Is there some advantage to cyp over that?

 

[seymour]

Not advocating Deca over Primo at all. Was just addressing the Deca dick you asked about.

Getting TRT from a doctor or just acquiring test as you have is the same. TRT is just simply weekly test injection.

Not really any advantage to Cyp over E. They are both long Ester as opposed to Prop.

 

[Alexdb2022]

Not advocating Deca over Primo at all. Was just addressing the Deca dick you asked about.

Getting TRT from a doctor or just acquiring test as you have is the same. TRT is just simply weekly test injection.

Not really any advantage to Cyp over E. They are both long Ester as opposed to Prop.

Gotcha. Thanks again broski! Happy gainz.

 

[seymour]

Not advocating Deca over Primo at all. Was just addressing the Deca dick you asked about.

Gotcha. Thanks again broski! Happy gainz.

No problem. Deca isn't the only thing to cause bloating though just keep that in mind. High levels of test have been known to sometimes do it. Allowing estrogen to get too high can do it. Excess sodium intake can do it...lot of things can contribute.

It's also not guaranteed if using Deca. Just wanted to let you know possible issues.

Regardless of what you decide just get a good plan together and make sure you have everything you will AND might need before starting.

 

[Alexdb2022]

No problem. Deca isn't the only thing to cause bloating though just keep that in mind. High levels of test have been known to sometimes do it. Allowing estrogen to get too high can do it. Excess sodium intake can do it...lot of things can contribute.

It's also not guaranteed if using Deca. Just wanted to let you know possible issues.

Regardless of what you decide just get a good plan together and make sure you have everything you will AND might need before starting.

I dread those statements. I don’t want bloating. So if your est is too high and you bloat, what do you do to get rid of it?.

 

[HGH.to]

So if your est is too high and you bloat, what do you do to get rid of it?.

keep low sodium intake. have a clean and good diet. drink water. if estrogen is too high and you bloat (you are likely to experience other issues) you need to take some aromatase inhibitors to lower the estrogen.

 

[Alexdb2022]

keep low sodium intake. have a clean and good diet. drink water. if estrogen is too high and you bloat (you are likely to experience other issues) you need to take some aromatase inhibitors to lower the estrogen.

Okay thank you

 

[HGH.to]

but I need to warn you - don't overdo on anti estrogens (aromatase inhibitors). high dosages kill too much estrogen and that's leading to side effects too. plus, estrogen is still important to grow muscles!

 

[Alexdb2022]

but I need to warn you - don't overdo on anti estrogens (aromatase inhibitors). high dosages kill too much estrogen and that's leading to side effects too. plus, estrogen is still important to grow muscles!

Thank you! Gear is a crazy game to play. Gonna have my blood work checked first!

 

[HGH.to]

Thank you! Gear is a crazy game to play. Gonna have my blood work checked first!

be sure about that. gear is actually crazy as long as you don't know what you're doing. that's why is extremely important to research first.
and yes you are 100% correct in firstly getting your blood work checked first!

 

[Alexdb2022]

be sure about that. gear is actually crazy as long as you don't know what you're doing. that's why is extremely important to research first.
and yes you are 100% correct in firstly getting your blood work checked first!

My bloating is insane. Super sluggish. Barely csn see the veins in my arms today like i can usually.

 

[HGH.to]

having other high estrogen symptoms?
erection? sex drive? gyno symptoms?

 

[Alexdb2022]

having other high estrogen symptoms?
erection? sex drive? gyno symptoms?

Nope none of those symptoms

 

[HGH.to]

Then you can't be sure its estrogen. as you said, better go after bloods first

 

[EMachine]

If you want to avoid bloating, primo is a better choice, over Deca, hands down. However, primo is one of the most faked compounds. If your goal is to stay lean, test Propionate and primo would be a good choice. I don’t remember if you’re new to this game, however, if you aren’t, adding 30 mg of anavar to the mix will help you. There are other things you can do, like adding proviron…if your diet is on point, and training you will make nice, lean gains.

 

[PedritoHID]

If you want to avoid bloating, primo is a better choice, over Deca, hands down. However, primo is one of the most faked compounds. If your goal is to stay lean, test Propionate and primo would be a good choice. I don’t remember if you’re new to this game, however, if you aren’t, adding 30 mg of anavar to the mix will help you. There are other things you can do, like adding proviron…if your diet is on point, and training you will make nice, lean gains.

How about NPP over Deca and Primo for bulking? I've read you don't get bloating side effects